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From: Derek Geldard on 13 Apr 2010 14:51 On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:45:28 +0100, Roland Perry <roland(a)perry.co.uk> wrote: >In message <9uk8s59istuhqnskv29tf80s0ln0e3dga6(a)4ax.com>, at 12:22:30 on >Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Derek Geldard <impex(a)miniac.demon.co.uk> remarked: >>>Nice try, >> >>Oh dear, 'nuff said. > >Indeed, your trimming says it all. I think so. Derek
From: Tony Dragon on 13 Apr 2010 14:55 Roland Perry wrote: > In message <XZCdnRJ3pPKoD17WnZ2dnUVZ8hFi4p2d(a)bt.com>, at 22:35:46 on > Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> remarked: >>> And you can ride with a helmet and risk motorists paying you less >>> attention because you are "protected". >> >> Why would I, as a motorist think such a thing? > > It's called Risk Compensation. Read John Adams' book. No it's called bollocks, if I see a cyclist I think 'there's a cyclist, I must make sure I don't hit him' I don't think 'there's a cyclist, I must make sure I don't hit him, but I won't try that hard as he is wearing a helmet' -- Tony Dragon
From: Roland Perry on 13 Apr 2010 14:53 In message <d7d9s5df97120ik3um3m8mo4m4kc61pgep(a)4ax.com>, at 19:20:11 on Tue, 13 Apr 2010, JMS <jmsmith2010(a)live.co.uk> remarked: >Why don't you just point out the single most credible paper that >supports your view. Why this obsession with "papers"? You aren't an academic, who thinks nothing else counts, are you? -- Roland Perry
From: Steve Firth on 13 Apr 2010 15:06 Roland Perry <roland(a)perry.co.uk> wrote: > > > >It appears you need to read it. Risk Compensation applies to the > >cyclist, not to the passing motorist in this case. A cyclist with a > >helmet feels protected and takes greater risks. The motorist does not > >see the cyclist as more protected just because he's wearing a helmet. > > It applies to the motorist as well, No, it doesn't.
From: Roland Perry on 13 Apr 2010 15:49
In message <oc2dnQYDAIG0I1nWnZ2dnUVZ8uCdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, at 19:55:36 on Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> remarked: >>>> And you can ride with a helmet and risk motorists paying you less >>>>attention because you are "protected". >>> >>> Why would I, as a motorist think such a thing? >> It's called Risk Compensation. Read John Adams' book. > >No it's called bollocks, if I see a cyclist I think 'there's a cyclist, >I must make sure I don't hit him' >I don't think 'there's a cyclist, I must make sure I don't hit him, but >I won't try that hard as he is wearing a helmet' It's subconscious, most of the time. But you also probably aren't one of those motorists who thinks "there's a cyclist in the road, why isn't he on the shared-use pavement where he belongs". -- Roland Perry |