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From: Roland Perry on 13 Apr 2010 15:49 In message <1jgwi8m.1wffb4w1ing17iN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, at 20:06:05 on Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> remarked: >> It applies to the motorist as well, > >No, it doesn't. <panto> Oh yes it does. -- Roland Perry
From: Roland Perry on 13 Apr 2010 15:55 In message <1jgwi5v.l3lemc1g8cakdN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, at 20:06:05 on Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> remarked: >Roland Perry <roland(a)perry.co.uk> wrote: > >> In message <1jgvl20.sscdka88vp3lN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, at 07:09:48 on >> Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> remarked: >> >> >As a motorist, cyclists are just cyclists to me and I can't say that I >> >> >notice if they are wearing helmets or not. I certainly don't >> >> >deliberately overtake them any more closely if they are wearing >> >> >helmets. >> >> >> >> Then you aren't typical. >> > >> >Bullshit. >> >> Neither are you, and thanks for proving my point. > >The typical motorist that I observe treats cyclists with a considerable >degree of caution and with repsect for their vulnerability. Atypical >motorists may behave otherwise. To claim as you do that the situation is >the reverse of the truth is stupid and patently untrue. I'm not claiming a conscious complete lack of caution/respect; rather that a more vulnerable-looking cyclist is likely to be given slightly more caution/respect. The corollary of which is that the less-vulnerable-looking will be given relatively less caution/respect. Or are you claiming that motorists won't give more vulnerable-looking cyclists more caution/respect? -- Roland Perry
From: Tony Dragon on 13 Apr 2010 16:11 Roland Perry wrote: > In message <oc2dnQYDAIG0I1nWnZ2dnUVZ8uCdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, at 19:55:36 on > Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> remarked: >>>>> And you can ride with a helmet and risk motorists paying you less >>>>> attention because you are "protected". >>>> >>>> Why would I, as a motorist think such a thing? >>> It's called Risk Compensation. Read John Adams' book. >> >> No it's called bollocks, if I see a cyclist I think 'there's a >> cyclist, I must make sure I don't hit him' >> I don't think 'there's a cyclist, I must make sure I don't hit him, >> but I won't try that hard as he is wearing a helmet' > > It's subconscious, most of the time. > > But you also probably aren't one of those motorists who thinks "there's > a cyclist in the road, why isn't he on the shared-use pavement where he > belongs". Obviously I am not, but equally obviously the first thing I see is the cyclist, not whether he is wearing a helmet or not. -- Tony Dragon
From: Nick Finnigan on 13 Apr 2010 16:40 Roland Perry wrote: > > I'm not claiming a conscious complete lack of caution/respect; rather > that a more vulnerable-looking cyclist is likely to be given slightly > more caution/respect. The corollary of which is that the > less-vulnerable-looking will be given relatively less caution/respect. > > Or are you claiming that motorists won't give more vulnerable-looking > cyclists more caution/respect? In general, competent looking, considerate road users will get more respect. I'm sure that motorcyclists overtake me in circumstances where they would not pass more dozy looking road users. That may mean they pass closer to me, but there is less risk.
From: Steve Firth on 13 Apr 2010 16:33
Roland Perry <roland(a)perry.co.uk> wrote: > I'm not claiming a conscious complete lack of caution/respect; rather > that a more vulnerable-looking cyclist is likely to be given slightly > more caution/respect. The corollary of which is that the > less-vulnerable-looking will be given relatively less caution/respect. > > Or are you claiming that motorists won't give more vulnerable-looking > cyclists more caution/respect? I'm pointing out that motorists tend to treat cyclists with caution and respect. Your claims that a motorist, upon seeing a helmet on the head of a cyclist, will drive to endanger the cyclist is bullshit. |