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From: Guy Cuthbertson on 20 May 2010 14:07 In article <%EeJn.84081$x54.37966(a)newsfe10.ams2>, davidlang(a)no-spam- blueyonder.co.uk says... > > mileburner wrote: > > > > I think you might find that those at the lower end of the scale see > > the car as a status symbol and one worth paying for. > > I think you might find that most sensible people regard a car as an ideal > mode of transport. Oh and Nkosi is right - you are a fuckwit. Indeed. Anyone who killfiles someone but still replies to bits that other posters have quoted has got to be mum and dad. I guess someone would go a bit crackers when they had such a passionate yet utterly unfulfilled desire to control everyone else all the time. Imagine having a tantrum each and every time someone drove their car past unimpeded. It can't be good for one's sanity.
From: Halmyre on 20 May 2010 14:19 In article <dJednVRN2IMD82jWnZ2dnUVZ7qudnZ2d(a)bt.com>, brimstone(a)hotmail.com says... > > > "ChelseaTractorMan" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:lsmav5lnkuu45v6dm7qjn9kossf46cuu0g(a)4ax.com... > > On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:50:03 +0100, "mileburner" > > <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > > >>But it does seem to be the thickos who insist on driving everywhere. One > >>of > >>them said to me a while ago, "I drive everywhere otherwise people will > >>think > >>I am poor". Yet she often does not have the money for fuel. I hope this > >>illustrates the type of person I mean. > > > > which probably represents a small % of people, most drive because its > > convenient, quicker, private, easy to carry loads, gets to places with > > no PT etc etc. > > For people travelling some distance I agree. However, how do we account for > those who spend time installing children into their special seats, driving a > few hundred yards to school, spend more time removing said children from the > car and driving home again when it would be quicker and less effort to walk. > The child might get run down by a cyclist. -- Halmyre This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your head clean off.
From: The Medway Handyman on 20 May 2010 14:35 Squashme wrote: > On 20 May, 18:28, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)no-spam- > blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> JNugent wrote: >>> Derek C wrote: >> >>> [snip] >> >>>> The answer to Labour's hatred of motorists is quite simple. >>>> Railways, buses and other form of public transport are highly >>>> unionised and the trade unions are their major source of income. >>>> Also they still live in a time warp dating back to the early part >>>> of the twentieth century, when only rich toffs drove cars. The >>>> proleteriat rode bikes, used buses or travelled 3rd class on >>>> railways. >> >>> It's part of the answer, but not all of it. >> >>> The further answer is that Labour has always been wedded to >>> quasi-religious views of the world, with pat faux-rationalisations >>> and prescriptions for every social phenomenon. >> >>> You can see the advantage. Once formulated, the "catechism" can >>> easily be imparted to the ultra-faithful (councillors, senior >>> officer of councils, etc) and disseminated to the more docile >>> sections of the population who prefer to let Labour do their >>> thinking for them. The 'Boxer' effect... >>>> Many bicycles these days are actually very expensive fashion >>>> accessories for rich yuppies. The middle and lower classes now >>>> drive around in cars, because this is the most practical way of >>>> getting around and doing your shopping, now little local corner >>>> shops have mostly been closed down in favour of our-of-town >>>> supermarkets... >> >>> ...though only because they are an improvement on the corner shop >>> (something a true believer absolutely *will not* hear). >> >> Stores like Tesco Express wil be the final nail in the coffin for >> the corner shop - and quite right too. >> > > Aren't you a "corner shop"? I'm a small independant trader yes, but not in retail. Several large companies have tried to lauch handyman services & failed. B&Q for one. I'm more efficient at giving the customer what they want. Corner shops aren't. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport.
From: Brimstone on 20 May 2010 14:37 "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message news:uZmdnWG2PLcA52jWnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d(a)pipex.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> >> >> "ChelseaTractorMan" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:lsmav5lnkuu45v6dm7qjn9kossf46cuu0g(a)4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:50:03 +0100, "mileburner" >>> <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> But it does seem to be the thickos who insist on driving everywhere. >>>> One of >>>> them said to me a while ago, "I drive everywhere otherwise people will >>>> think >>>> I am poor". Yet she often does not have the money for fuel. I hope this >>>> illustrates the type of person I mean. >>> >>> which probably represents a small % of people, most drive because its >>> convenient, quicker, private, easy to carry loads, gets to places with >>> no PT etc etc. >> >> For people travelling some distance I agree. However, how do we account >> for those who spend time installing children into their special seats, >> driving a few hundred yards to school, spend more time removing said >> children from the car and driving home again when it would be quicker and >> less effort to walk. >> >>> Somebody I argued with about airtravel told me the carbon cost was >>> zero for him because he is travelling in the 20% of seats otherwise >>> empty and "the plane was going anyway". This is of course (rather >>> pathetic) self deception, you can get it from car haters, car lovers >>> and all other points of view. >>> -- >> There was some research done not so long ago which showed that those who >> claim to live a "green lifestyle" break other rules because they feel >> it's some sort of payback for being "eco-friendly". > > Is this a form of the celebrated "risk-compensation" phenomenon, and is it > therefore not only car-drivers who fall prey to it? It a similar phenomenon I think and it has nothing, specifically, to do with transport. > You'll be getting howled out of ukrc. Oh dear.
From: Squashme on 20 May 2010 14:43
On 20 May, 19:35, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)no-spam- blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Squashme wrote: > > On 20 May, 18:28, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)no-spam- > > blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> JNugent wrote: > >>> Derek C wrote: > > >>> [snip] > > >>>> The answer to Labour's hatred of motorists is quite simple. > >>>> Railways, buses and other form of public transport are highly > >>>> unionised and the trade unions are their major source of income. > >>>> Also they still live in a time warp dating back to the early part > >>>> of the twentieth century, when only rich toffs drove cars. The > >>>> proleteriat rode bikes, used buses or travelled 3rd class on > >>>> railways. > > >>> It's part of the answer, but not all of it. > > >>> The further answer is that Labour has always been wedded to > >>> quasi-religious views of the world, with pat faux-rationalisations > >>> and prescriptions for every social phenomenon. > > >>> You can see the advantage. Once formulated, the "catechism" can > >>> easily be imparted to the ultra-faithful (councillors, senior > >>> officer of councils, etc) and disseminated to the more docile > >>> sections of the population who prefer to let Labour do their > >>> thinking for them. The 'Boxer' effect... > >>>> Many bicycles these days are actually very expensive fashion > >>>> accessories for rich yuppies. The middle and lower classes now > >>>> drive around in cars, because this is the most practical way of > >>>> getting around and doing your shopping, now little local corner > >>>> shops have mostly been closed down in favour of our-of-town > >>>> supermarkets... > > >>> ...though only because they are an improvement on the corner shop > >>> (something a true believer absolutely *will not* hear). > > >> Stores like Tesco Express wil be the final nail in the coffin for > >> the corner shop - and quite right too. > > > Aren't you a "corner shop"? > > I'm a small independant trader yes, but not in retail. > > Several large companies have tried to lauch handyman services & failed. B&Q > for one. > > I'm more efficient at giving the customer what they want. Corner shops > aren't. > What would that be, for corner shops, and why can't corner shops do it now? They have been around for a long time, after all. |