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From: bod on 29 Jun 2010 07:22 Mike P wrote: > On 29 June, 12:07, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> bod wrote: >>> Mike P wrote: >>>> On 29 June, 11:32, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> Mike P wrote: >>>>>> On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 >>>>>>>> bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the >>>>>>>>> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. >>>>>>>>> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, >>>>>>>>> older >>>>>>>>> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back >>>>>>>>> these facts up. >>>>>>>> I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a >>>>>>>> 1 ton >>>>>>>> car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety >>>>>>>> records - the >>>>>>>> probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the >>>>>>>> accident >>>>>>>> rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then >>>>>>>> it wouldn't >>>>>>>> be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they >>>>>>>> indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. >>>>>>>> B2003 >>>>>>> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving >>>>>>> licence then? >>>>>> I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for >>>>>> 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. >>>>>> Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give >>>>>> them *big* incentives not to crash.. >>>>>> Mike P >>>>> Hmm, sounds reasonable and do-able. You'd need to have the insurance >>>>> companies on their side though, ie; lower premiums. >>>> They do (or did) something similar in Italy, hence you can (or could) >>>> buy some really strange cars you couldn't buy anywhere else. A 1.1 >>>> litre Citroen BX was one I remember.. >>>> The premiums could be slightly less to start with, but with a promised >>>> big reduction if after the qualifying period of 2 or 3 years they are >>>> accident and points free. I don't believe the present system of 6 >>>> points before 2 years and you retake your test again makes a blind bit >>>> of difference. Those who are going to drive illegally will drive >>>> illegally whatever.. >>>> Mike P >>> I'd agree with you on the 'test retake', that just seems a little daft. >>> If they've passed a UK driving test, which is pretty thorough, they >>> aren't likely to learn anything from taking another one so soon. >>> An awareness course for when they obtain the 6 points might be a better >>> option and more palatable for the offenders? >>> Bod >> > >> > >> >> By an awareness course, I mean maybe one or two sessions of being >> shown graphic videos and accounts of horrific crashes involving >> youngsters just like them.... and I mean very graphic, so much so that >> it stays in their minds. >> >> Waddya think? > > Too easy. People see that sort of thing all the time in violent films. > > Make them spend some time in a mortuary or doing post mortems on > accident victims. > > Mike P > > I disagree. If they saw the full monty of a severe car accident, where a youngster (just like them) was shown having his leg etc amputated at the scene because the leg was trapped and crushed, that surely would leave a lasting indelible memory? It would on me. Bod
From: Mike P on 29 Jun 2010 07:26 On 29 June, 12:22, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Mike P wrote: > > On 29 June, 12:07, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> bod wrote: > >>> Mike P wrote: > >>>> On 29 June, 11:32, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>> Mike P wrote: > >>>>>> On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 > >>>>>>>> bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the > >>>>>>>>> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. > >>>>>>>>> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, > >>>>>>>>> older > >>>>>>>>> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back > >>>>>>>>> these facts up. > >>>>>>>> I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a > >>>>>>>> 1 ton > >>>>>>>> car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety > >>>>>>>> records - the > >>>>>>>> probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the > >>>>>>>> accident > >>>>>>>> rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then > >>>>>>>> it wouldn't > >>>>>>>> be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they > >>>>>>>> indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. > >>>>>>>> B2003 > >>>>>>> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving > >>>>>>> licence then? > >>>>>> I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for > >>>>>> 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. > >>>>>> Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give > >>>>>> them *big* incentives not to crash.. > >>>>>> Mike P > >>>>> Hmm, sounds reasonable and do-able. You'd need to have the insurance > >>>>> companies on their side though, ie; lower premiums. > >>>> They do (or did) something similar in Italy, hence you can (or could) > >>>> buy some really strange cars you couldn't buy anywhere else. A 1.1 > >>>> litre Citroen BX was one I remember.. > >>>> The premiums could be slightly less to start with, but with a promised > >>>> big reduction if after the qualifying period of 2 or 3 years they are > >>>> accident and points free. I don't believe the present system of 6 > >>>> points before 2 years and you retake your test again makes a blind bit > >>>> of difference. Those who are going to drive illegally will drive > >>>> illegally whatever.. > >>>> Mike P > >>> I'd agree with you on the 'test retake', that just seems a little daft. > >>> If they've passed a UK driving test, which is pretty thorough, they > >>> aren't likely to learn anything from taking another one so soon. > >>> An awareness course for when they obtain the 6 points might be a better > >>> option and more palatable for the offenders? > >>> Bod > > >> By an awareness course, I mean maybe one or two sessions of being > >> shown graphic videos and accounts of horrific crashes involving > >> youngsters just like them.... and I mean very graphic, so much so that > >> it stays in their minds. > > >> Waddya think? > > > Too easy. People see that sort of thing all the time in violent films. > > > Make them spend some time in a mortuary or doing post mortems on > > accident victims. > > > Mike P > > > > > I disagree. If they saw the full monty of a severe car accident, where a > youngster (just like them) was shown having his leg etc amputated at the > scene because the leg was trapped and crushed, that surely would leave a > lasting indelible memory? > It would on me. It would on me too, but we're almost of a different age aren't we. The amount of gore that's in games, in films, even in soap operas is way more than what there ever was when I was a teenager. I think that some may have just become numb to it, and seeing yet more gore on the screen would be just "so what?"... Show it them in real life, with some dead bodies.. that would leave an impression.. Mike P
From: Brimstone on 29 Jun 2010 07:36 "Mike P" <max.cat(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:9a1e18a0-fa15-4469-b406-50f73aeaca9f(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >> > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 >> > bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> >> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the >> >> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. >> >> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, older >> >> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back >> >> these facts up. >> >> > I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a 1 ton >> > car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety records - >> > the >> > probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the >> > accident >> > rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then it >> > wouldn't >> > be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they >> > indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. >> >> > B2003 >> >> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving >> licence then? > > I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for > 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. > Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give > them *big* incentives not to crash.. > I prefer the notion that *everyone* (with a few obvious exceptions) has to learn to ride a pedal bicycle and then a motorcycle before being allowed to drive a car.
From: bod on 29 Jun 2010 07:37 Mike P wrote: > On 29 June, 12:22, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> Mike P wrote: >>> On 29 June, 12:07, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>> bod wrote: >>>>> Mike P wrote: >>>>>> On 29 June, 11:32, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> Mike P wrote: >>>>>>>> On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 >>>>>>>>>> bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the >>>>>>>>>>> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. >>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, >>>>>>>>>>> older >>>>>>>>>>> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back >>>>>>>>>>> these facts up. >>>>>>>>>> I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a >>>>>>>>>> 1 ton >>>>>>>>>> car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety >>>>>>>>>> records - the >>>>>>>>>> probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the >>>>>>>>>> accident >>>>>>>>>> rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then >>>>>>>>>> it wouldn't >>>>>>>>>> be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they >>>>>>>>>> indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. >>>>>>>>>> B2003 >>>>>>>>> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving >>>>>>>>> licence then? >>>>>>>> I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for >>>>>>>> 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. >>>>>>>> Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give >>>>>>>> them *big* incentives not to crash.. >>>>>>>> Mike P >>>>>>> Hmm, sounds reasonable and do-able. You'd need to have the insurance >>>>>>> companies on their side though, ie; lower premiums. >>>>>> They do (or did) something similar in Italy, hence you can (or could) >>>>>> buy some really strange cars you couldn't buy anywhere else. A 1.1 >>>>>> litre Citroen BX was one I remember.. >>>>>> The premiums could be slightly less to start with, but with a promised >>>>>> big reduction if after the qualifying period of 2 or 3 years they are >>>>>> accident and points free. I don't believe the present system of 6 >>>>>> points before 2 years and you retake your test again makes a blind bit >>>>>> of difference. Those who are going to drive illegally will drive >>>>>> illegally whatever.. >>>>>> Mike P >>>>> I'd agree with you on the 'test retake', that just seems a little daft. >>>>> If they've passed a UK driving test, which is pretty thorough, they >>>>> aren't likely to learn anything from taking another one so soon. >>>>> An awareness course for when they obtain the 6 points might be a better >>>>> option and more palatable for the offenders? >>>>> Bod >>>> By an awareness course, I mean maybe one or two sessions of being >>>> shown graphic videos and accounts of horrific crashes involving >>>> youngsters just like them.... and I mean very graphic, so much so that >>>> it stays in their minds. >>>> Waddya think? >>> Too easy. People see that sort of thing all the time in violent films. >>> Make them spend some time in a mortuary or doing post mortems on >>> accident victims. >>> Mike P >> > >> >> I disagree. If they saw the full monty of a severe car accident, where a >> youngster (just like them) was shown having his leg etc amputated at the >> scene because the leg was trapped and crushed, that surely would leave a >> lasting indelible memory? >> It would on me. > > It would on me too, but we're almost of a different age aren't we. The > amount of gore that's in games, in films, even in soap operas is way > more than what there ever was when I was a teenager. I think that some > may have just become numb to it, and seeing yet more gore on the > screen would be just "so what?"... > > Show it them in real life, with some dead bodies.. that would leave an > impression.. > > Mike P > > Or maybe both? Show the vid of them being cut out all mangled and then take them to a morgue to see the result, as part of the 'package'. Obviously not of the same person. Then finish up with electric shocks to their genitals :) Bod
From: Mike P on 29 Jun 2010 07:40
On 29 June, 12:36, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Mike P" <max....(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:9a1e18a0-fa15-4469-b406-50f73aeaca9f(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > > > On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: > >> > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 > >> > bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the > >> >> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. > >> >> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, older > >> >> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back > >> >> these facts up. > > >> > I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a 1 ton > >> > car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety records - > >> > the > >> > probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the > >> > accident > >> > rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then it > >> > wouldn't > >> > be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they > >> > indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. > > >> > B2003 > > >> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving > >> licence then? > > > I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for > > 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. > > Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give > > them *big* incentives not to crash.. > > I prefer the notion that *everyone* (with a few obvious exceptions) has to > learn to ride a pedal bicycle and then a motorcycle before being allowed to > drive a car. That's what I did, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. Mike P |