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From: bod on 29 Jun 2010 07:01 Mike P wrote: > On 29 June, 11:32, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> Mike P wrote: >>> On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 >>>>> bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the >>>>>> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. >>>>>> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, older >>>>>> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back >>>>>> these facts up. >>>>> I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a 1 ton >>>>> car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety records - the >>>>> probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the accident >>>>> rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then it wouldn't >>>>> be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they >>>>> indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. >>>>> B2003 >>>> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving >>>> licence then? >>> I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for >>> 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. >>> Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give >>> them *big* incentives not to crash.. >>> Mike P >> Hmm, sounds reasonable and do-able. You'd need to have the insurance >> companies on their side though, ie; lower premiums. > > They do (or did) something similar in Italy, hence you can (or could) > buy some really strange cars you couldn't buy anywhere else. A 1.1 > litre Citroen BX was one I remember.. > > The premiums could be slightly less to start with, but with a promised > big reduction if after the qualifying period of 2 or 3 years they are > accident and points free. I don't believe the present system of 6 > points before 2 years and you retake your test again makes a blind bit > of difference. Those who are going to drive illegally will drive > illegally whatever.. > > Mike P > > I'd agree with you on the 'test retake', that just seems a little daft. If they've passed a UK driving test, which is pretty thorough, they aren't likely to learn anything from taking another one so soon. An awareness course for when they obtain the 6 points might be a better option and more palatable for the offenders? Bod
From: bod on 29 Jun 2010 07:07 bod wrote: > Mike P wrote: >> On 29 June, 11:32, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>> Mike P wrote: >>>> On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 >>>>>> bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the >>>>>>> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. >>>>>>> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, >>>>>>> older >>>>>>> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back >>>>>>> these facts up. >>>>>> I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a >>>>>> 1 ton >>>>>> car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety >>>>>> records - the >>>>>> probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the >>>>>> accident >>>>>> rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then >>>>>> it wouldn't >>>>>> be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they >>>>>> indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. >>>>>> B2003 >>>>> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving >>>>> licence then? >>>> I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for >>>> 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. >>>> Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give >>>> them *big* incentives not to crash.. >>>> Mike P >>> Hmm, sounds reasonable and do-able. You'd need to have the insurance >>> companies on their side though, ie; lower premiums. >> >> They do (or did) something similar in Italy, hence you can (or could) >> buy some really strange cars you couldn't buy anywhere else. A 1.1 >> litre Citroen BX was one I remember.. >> >> The premiums could be slightly less to start with, but with a promised >> big reduction if after the qualifying period of 2 or 3 years they are >> accident and points free. I don't believe the present system of 6 >> points before 2 years and you retake your test again makes a blind bit >> of difference. Those who are going to drive illegally will drive >> illegally whatever.. >> >> Mike P > > > > > > I'd agree with you on the 'test retake', that just seems a little daft. > If they've passed a UK driving test, which is pretty thorough, they > aren't likely to learn anything from taking another one so soon. > An awareness course for when they obtain the 6 points might be a better > option and more palatable for the offenders? > > Bod > > By an awareness course, I mean maybe one or two sessions of being shown graphic videos and accounts of horrific crashes involving youngsters just like them.... and I mean very graphic, so much so that it stays in their minds. Waddya think? Bod
From: Mike P on 29 Jun 2010 07:08 On 29 June, 12:01, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Mike P wrote: > > On 29 June, 11:32, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> Mike P wrote: > >>> On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 > >>>>> bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the > >>>>>> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. > >>>>>> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, older > >>>>>> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back > >>>>>> these facts up. > >>>>> I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a 1 ton > >>>>> car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety records - the > >>>>> probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the accident > >>>>> rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then it wouldn't > >>>>> be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they > >>>>> indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. > >>>>> B2003 > >>>> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving > >>>> licence then? > >>> I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for > >>> 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. > >>> Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give > >>> them *big* incentives not to crash.. > >>> Mike P > >> Hmm, sounds reasonable and do-able. You'd need to have the insurance > >> companies on their side though, ie; lower premiums. > > > They do (or did) something similar in Italy, hence you can (or could) > > buy some really strange cars you couldn't buy anywhere else. A 1.1 > > litre Citroen BX was one I remember.. > > > The premiums could be slightly less to start with, but with a promised > > big reduction if after the qualifying period of 2 or 3 years they are > > accident and points free. I don't believe the present system of 6 > > points before 2 years and you retake your test again makes a blind bit > > of difference. Those who are going to drive illegally will drive > > illegally whatever.. > > > Mike P > > > > > > > I'd agree with you on the 'test retake', that just seems a little > daft. If they've passed a UK driving test, which is pretty thorough, > they aren't likely to learn anything from taking another one so soon. > An awareness course for when they obtain the 6 points might be a > better option and more palatable for the offenders? Restrict them to only driving in daylight hours, and make it compulsary they have a big banner on the rear of the car stating that ;-) Mike P
From: Mike P on 29 Jun 2010 07:13 On 29 June, 12:07, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > bod wrote: > > Mike P wrote: > >> On 29 June, 11:32, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>> Mike P wrote: > >>>> On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: > >>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 > >>>>>> bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>>> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the > >>>>>>> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. > >>>>>>> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, > >>>>>>> older > >>>>>>> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back > >>>>>>> these facts up. > >>>>>> I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a > >>>>>> 1 ton > >>>>>> car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety > >>>>>> records - the > >>>>>> probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the > >>>>>> accident > >>>>>> rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then > >>>>>> it wouldn't > >>>>>> be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they > >>>>>> indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. > >>>>>> B2003 > >>>>> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving > >>>>> licence then? > >>>> I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for > >>>> 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. > >>>> Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give > >>>> them *big* incentives not to crash.. > >>>> Mike P > >>> Hmm, sounds reasonable and do-able. You'd need to have the insurance > >>> companies on their side though, ie; lower premiums. > > >> They do (or did) something similar in Italy, hence you can (or could) > >> buy some really strange cars you couldn't buy anywhere else. A 1.1 > >> litre Citroen BX was one I remember.. > > >> The premiums could be slightly less to start with, but with a promised > >> big reduction if after the qualifying period of 2 or 3 years they are > >> accident and points free. I don't believe the present system of 6 > >> points before 2 years and you retake your test again makes a blind bit > >> of difference. Those who are going to drive illegally will drive > >> illegally whatever.. > > >> Mike P > > > I'd agree with you on the 'test retake', that just seems a little daft. > > If they've passed a UK driving test, which is pretty thorough, they > > aren't likely to learn anything from taking another one so soon. > > An awareness course for when they obtain the 6 points might be a better > > option and more palatable for the offenders? > > > Bod > > > > > > > By an awareness course, I mean maybe one or two sessions of being > shown graphic videos and accounts of horrific crashes involving > youngsters just like them.... and I mean very graphic, so much so that > it stays in their minds. > > Waddya think? Too easy. People see that sort of thing all the time in violent films. Make them spend some time in a mortuary or doing post mortems on accident victims. Mike P
From: bod on 29 Jun 2010 07:14
Mike P wrote: > On 29 June, 12:01, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> Mike P wrote: >>> On 29 June, 11:32, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Mike P wrote: >>>>> On 29 June, 11:14, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:57:51 +0100 >>>>>>> bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> And what about the largest category of having accidents then; the >>>>>>>> youngsters who have recently *passed* their tests. >>>>>>>> Apparently, they have about 1 in 4 of all accidents. In general, older >>>>>>>> drivers have the best safety record of all. Insurance companies back >>>>>>>> these facts up. >>>>>>> I also happen to think that 17 is too young to be able to drive a 1 ton >>>>>>> car on the roads. As for older drivers having the best safety records - the >>>>>>> probably also do the least miles. I reckon if you looked on the accident >>>>>>> rate on a per mile basis (which insurance companies don't do) then it wouldn't >>>>>>> be quite so rosy. Also it doesn't take account of the accidents they >>>>>>> indirectly cause due to frustrated drivers behind taking risks. >>>>>>> B2003 >>>>>> Yes, but at what minimum age would you recommend to obtain a driving >>>>>> licence then? >>>>> I'd say 18 is an ok age, with a restriction on what you can drive for >>>>> 2 years - similar to the 33BHP limit with new motorbike riders. >>>>> Restrict young drivers to cars less than 70bhp for 2 years and give >>>>> them *big* incentives not to crash.. >>>>> Mike P >>>> Hmm, sounds reasonable and do-able. You'd need to have the insurance >>>> companies on their side though, ie; lower premiums. >>> They do (or did) something similar in Italy, hence you can (or could) >>> buy some really strange cars you couldn't buy anywhere else. A 1.1 >>> litre Citroen BX was one I remember.. >>> The premiums could be slightly less to start with, but with a promised >>> big reduction if after the qualifying period of 2 or 3 years they are >>> accident and points free. I don't believe the present system of 6 >>> points before 2 years and you retake your test again makes a blind bit >>> of difference. Those who are going to drive illegally will drive >>> illegally whatever.. >>> Mike P >> > >> > >> >> I'd agree with you on the 'test retake', that just seems a little >> daft. If they've passed a UK driving test, which is pretty thorough, >> they aren't likely to learn anything from taking another one so soon. >> An awareness course for when they obtain the 6 points might be a >> better option and more palatable for the offenders? > > Restrict them to only driving in daylight hours, and make it > compulsary they have a big banner on the rear of the car stating > that ;-) > > Mike P > :) Bod |