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From: Peter Clinch on 20 Dec 2007 10:53 Brimstone wrote: > Peter Clinch wrote: >> Adrian wrote: >> >>> VERY VERY few collisions have >>> just one participant at fault. >> That is a fair comment, but of course what I'm actually getting at >> primarily is the simple /existence/ of lorries in my space. They're >> often there and I really can't help that, and Brimstone's "just don't >> be near lorries" misses that completely. >> > Which isn't what I said. What you actually said was: "But the general thrust is quite simple. The lorry is bigger than the cyclist. Keep clear." Perhaps you would explain how that's different from what I read it as? > How is that at variance with what I actually posted? You said "keep clear". I can't guarantee to keep clear because I can't guarantee that an HGV won't come close. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
From: raisethe on 20 Dec 2007 10:54 Adrian wrote: > > Very true. But what you CAN do is to minimise the chance that a driver > who is sort of wavering around near the ball doesn't just blither past > you. MAKE him see you. MAKE him think about you. GET in his face a bit. > > That's what's we're trying to emphasise. Just sitting there like a lemon > whinging about it being inevitable that cars squeeze past your bike when > there isn't really space just shows that your road positioning is wrong. > But that doesn't mean that where there IS space you can't help them past > you easily and safely. Just vary your road positioning. Traffic island > coming up? Move out from the kerb a bit so they CAN'T squeeze past. Past > the island? Move back in, and wave a thank you. > > The same is easy to apply at junctions. You're there first? Get in the > middle of the lane. Then they CAN'T pull alongside and turn left without > indication. > > They've seen you, they've thought about you - because you took ownership > of the space around you. We know this. Read the archive of URC and you will see that. It is not the point Peter C has made ad nauseum.
From: Peter Clinch on 20 Dec 2007 10:56 Adrian wrote: > Very true. But what you CAN do is to minimise the chance that a driver > who is sort of wavering around near the ball doesn't just blither past > you. MAKE him see you. MAKE him think about you. GET in his face a bit. > > That's what's we're trying to emphasise. And in turn I'd say that's what I have no issue with whatsoever. > Just sitting there like a lemon > whinging about it being inevitable that cars squeeze past your bike when > there isn't really space just shows that your road positioning is wrong. On the one hand, yes, but on the other, have I actually whinged any such whinge? Not that I can see. My point was very uncomplicated, and was that cyclists cannot guarantee being well clear of lorroes, period, by their own actions. Nothing more than that. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
From: Peter Clinch on 20 Dec 2007 10:57 Adrian wrote: > Clive George ("Clive George" <clive(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk>) gurgled happily, > sounding much like they were saying: >> Mostly you'll find they're arguing with Brimstone and his daft >> assertions. > > The daft assertions that are shared with u.r.c? No, the daft assertion that: "The lorry is bigger than the cyclist. Keep clear" is actually all there is to avoiding unpleasant entanglements with lorries. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
From: Ekul Namsob on 20 Dec 2007 11:37
Nick <nospam(a)spam.com> wrote: > MrBitsy wrote: > > The most stupid actions [by cyclists] were those that would squeeze down > > the side of the bus at junctions - even when I was signalling to turn > > left! They would put themselves straight into the blindpot and sit > > there. I never collided with one as I always spotted them early, but I > > am never surprised when I hear of a cyclist being run down. > So you felt it was OK to continue driving in a way that put other road > users lives at risk. How would you suggest that Mr Bitsy should have continued driving? He observed the cyclists and never collided with one. Filtering up the left of a left-indicating vehicle is foolish. > Presumably this is because you felt it would be > their fault if you did kill them? Lack of surprise does not imply blame. > I realise that professional drivers come from the lower end of the > intelligence scale but can you not see this was exactly my point. There was no need for that. Luke -- Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk> |