From: john wright on
On 15/03/2010 09:26, Ret. wrote:
> Conor wrote:
>> On 14/03/2010 19:28, furnessvale wrote:
>>> On Mar 14, 5:55�pm, Conor<co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 14/03/2010 15:48, furnessvale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So your considered opinion is that the use of a hand held mobile
>>>>> phone while driving has no effect whatsoever on the concentration
>>>>> of that driver to �the primary task in hand.
>>>>
>>>> No, it is my considered opinion that the number of incomptent
>>>> fuckwits doing this that are likely to actually have an accident is
>>>> so low as to be statistically insignificant and said people are
>>>> still likely to do it no matter what law and penalty is in place.
>>>>
>>>>> That would explain the huge number of stone lorry drivers I see on
>>>>> the A6 using their phones on the MT return trip making multiple
>>>>> calls to book the next best profitable loaded trip.
>>>>
>>>> Do you see any of them having a crash?
>>>
>>> Frequently, including on one occasion my garden wall.
>>>
>>
>> How do you know this was due to driving whilst using a mobile phone?
>
> Exactly - and this is where your argument in support of mobile phone
> useage not causing accidents falls down. Other than where a driver has
> actually been *seen* using a mobile - how do we know? There may have
> been thousands of accidents caused by mobile phone useage - but they are
> not recorded as such because no one saw the driver using his phone.

Which is why one has to look at the statistics. This is the differnce
between risk and harm - harm only occurs when a risk (or more than one
in this case) comes to pass.

--

John Wright
From: Rob on
Ret. wrote:
|| The research demonstrates that when using a mobile phone, a drivers
|| hazard perception is adversely affected, and his response time to
|| incidents requiring action is extended. So even in situations where
|| you might think it safe to use a phone - it may well not be!
||
|| Of course, with many laws it is not possible to prescribe precisely
|| when you may or may not indulge in certain actions. The only
|| realistic option is a 'cover-all' instruction.

But we haven't got that, instead we've got an ill thought out dog's
breakfast of legislation that does little for road safety, so perhaps it's
not surprising that some don't take it seriously.

--
Rob


From: Brimstone on


"Bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 22/03/2010 16:01, Brimstone wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:80phu4Fjn6U39(a)mid.individual.net...

>>> Exactly that situation happened to my mother last year. Some fuckwit
>>> coming the other way decided to overtake the car in front of him. Narrow
>>> country lane. High hedges, both sides, negligible verge.
>>>
>>> She survived, completely uninjured, and drove her Peugeot 306 home.
>>>
>>> See if you can guess why.
>>
>> She wasn't on the phone, was under the speed limit, wearing a seat belt,
>> her child was secured in the latest Euro approved baby seat (oh, maybe
>> not that one), she had top of the range tyres fitted and wasn't
>> distracted by any in car gadgetry?
>>
>>
> I would be more inclined to say it was because of the modern safety
> design of the car; crumple zones/airbags/seat belts etc.
>
WWWOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHH!!!!



From: Brimstone on


"Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
>>> I would be more inclined to say it was because of the modern safety
>>> design of the car; crumple zones/airbags/seat belts etc.
>
>> WWWOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHH!!!!
>
> Was that the airbag inflating?

More my comment passing over "Bod's" head at high velocity.


From: Brimstone on


"JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message
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> Other European countries go in for punishments which fit the offence.
>
The Mikado for PM?