From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 7 Feb 2010 14:07
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:19:36 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:
> Better do a bit more research if that is what you choose to believe.
> Suppliers build to the manufacturers spec.
At least Nippon Denso does.
From: Ashton Crusher on 7 Feb 2010 15:16
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:33:32 -0500, John Kester <jkmoxty012(a)gmail.com>
>Ford murdered a bunch of its customers by not recalling exploding Ford
>Pintos even though they knew about them, because on the accounting
>books it looked cheaper to absorb the cost of the burn lawsuits than
>to do a recall. Nice.
That is completely false. The only "accounting" was in response to a
request by the gvt and using gvt supplied dollar figures. The pintos
were no more prone to exploding then any other car of the day. If
Ford is guilty murdering their customers then so are ALL the other car
markers of the time.
From: AZ Nomad on 7 Feb 2010 15:28
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:16:40 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi(a)moore.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:33:32 -0500, John Kester <jkmoxty012(a)gmail.com>
>>Ford murdered a bunch of its customers by not recalling exploding Ford
>>Pintos even though they knew about them, because on the accounting
>>books it looked cheaper to absorb the cost of the burn lawsuits than
>>to do a recall. Nice.
>That is completely false. The only "accounting" was in response to a
>request by the gvt and using gvt supplied dollar figures. The pintos
>were no more prone to exploding then any other car of the day. If
Bullshit. Despite what you'd like to think, customers weren't torching
their pintos. The fires were due to fuel tank's location and the tendancy
for the filler to rip out leaving a gaping hole.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 7 Feb 2010 17:00
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:55:59 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:
> If you did, than I could not drift away, even if you did not properly
> engage the shifter into the PARK position, as was the actual cause.
How could you even forget about the Ford recall for transmissions?
They talked it to death almost as much as the currect Toyota recall.
However, 'talked to death' is not a good phrase to use. Hundreds were
killed and thousands injured thanks to Ford NOT fixing the transmissions,
but issuing a sticker for the dash instead.
You want to make such a big deal about the Toyota recall. So far, I don't
think anyone has died yet from the sticking pedal, and Toyota is fixing
Ford did nothing.
> "Ed Maier" <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> On 2/7/2010 11:17 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:
>>> (Cross postings deleted, automatically)
>>> Old news! That is just another of the YABUT excuses used to change
>>> the subject away from Toyota CURRENT 5.4 million world wide recall.
>>> Why did you not just set the parking brake? LOL
>> I did. Reread my original post.
>> Ed Maier
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 7 Feb 2010 17:06
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:40:28 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>All the experts agree that the damage to Toyota's reputation all depends
>>on how quickly they fix customer's cars and how they treat the customers
>>during the repair procedure. I don't know if it's the dealers themselves,
>>or corporate Toyota that's paying for the perks that dealer are offering,
>>but it's very reassuring to the owners. Most people are pretty reasonable
>>when it comes to recalls. Tell them about the problem, fix it without a
>>hassle, and they're happy. It's pretty rare for _any_ car to not have at
>>least a couple of recalls with the increasing complexity of vehicles.
> That last sentence is a hoot. When a GM, Ford, or Chrysler had a recall
> the "I love Toyota" crowd were all over them, there was no "It's pretty
> rare for _any_ car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the
> increasing complexity of vehicles."
Ford's are cool. And we're not talking about the Ford Motor Co that got
out of a recall by issuing dash stickers.
They've had their issues (can you say, "First gen Focus"?) but all in all
Ford makes a decent car.
I have had a few Chryslers that were good, too.
But Toyota is my favorite because they are easy to maintain and drive for
a long, long time.