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From: Bill Murphy on 23 Jul 2010 11:26 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:46:55 -0500, JimT wrote: > most, if not all, local and state statutes are on the internet. > He could Google it. May take some time. I posted a few references for California legal search sites. None contained ANY California law regarding the transportation and storage of 5-gallon jugs of gasoline for personal use. Many contained transportation of 120 gallons or more; and OSHA sites contained regulations for the work place; but so far, nobody on this planet can cite a specific California law that regulates the storage or transportation of 20-gallons worth of gasoline in the state of California.
From: Bill Murphy on 23 Jul 2010 11:39 On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:22:10 -0400, yetanothermickey(a)mickymall.com wrote: > The site lists no details. Was the tank full, or almost empty for the > test? What was the ambient temperature? Details would have been in the MythBusters show itself. I'm sure a YouTube exerpt might exist if you need those details. The point is, the suggestion that a "hunter's round" will accidentally explode plastic gas cans sitting outside is so highly unlikely, maybe even impossible, as to not be a reasonable fear. Gasoline is very dangerous. We all know that. A leak is not good, for example. But we manage that danger every single day (almost all of us keep about 40 gallons in the garage every night, for example). To date, nobody on this planet (not even me, after extensive searches already listed) can reference a single California law that regulates the home storage and vehicle transporation of five gallon jugs of gasoline in a car trunk.
From: Smitty Two on 23 Jul 2010 13:57 In article <i2ccd2$r4u$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Murphy <billmurphy(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:46:55 -0500, JimT wrote: > > > most, if not all, local and state statutes are on the internet. > > He could Google it. May take some time. > > I posted a few references for California legal search sites. > > None contained ANY California law regarding the transportation and storage > of 5-gallon jugs of gasoline for personal use. > > Many contained transportation of 120 gallons or more; and OSHA sites > contained regulations for the work place; but so far, nobody on this planet > can cite a specific California law that regulates the storage or > transportation of 20-gallons worth of gasoline in the state of California. Wow, you're pretty worked up about this law specificity aspect. What are you going to do with the information if you find it? Is it going to cause you to modify your behavior in some way? Are you now transporting 25 gallons at a time but will immediately reduce that to 15 if you can just find that damn law?
From: chuckcar on 23 Jul 2010 17:07 Bill Murphy <billmurphy(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:i29f8h$s27$1(a)speranza.aioe.org: > On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:43:09 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar wrote: >>> Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard? >>> Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a >>> car? >> >> Do they have vent holes and/or pour spouts? > > They are certified EPA spillproof leakproof kidproof red plastic > gasoline cans. Gas goes in. Never comes out. > > The only opening is the spout. It has special "engineering" to not let > the gas out. Gas only develops about 20psi when heated under the hot > sun so that's not enough to blow up the can > (http://www.blitzusa.com/faq.htm). > > There was a test of the Blitz cans on the web (gotta dig for it) which > showed absolutely zero weight loss (they measure weight not volume) > for a can out in the sun for a year IIRC. When compared to the > "vented" can, the Blitz won. > > Of course, it's a B*TC* to get the gasoline OUT of the can, but that's > a whole nother topic. > Man, that must have been some lawsuit. Prime candidate for the darwin awards I'd bet. -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
From: Bill Murphy on 23 Jul 2010 18:46
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:57:38 -0700, Smitty Two wrote: > Is it going to cause you to modify your behavior in some way? I want to stay within the law. If the law says I can't transport anything in the trunk, I won't. If it says I can't store anything in my yard, I won't. However, if it allows me to transport and store twenty or twenty five gallons, I will. BTW, I moved the gas cans into the shed along the other fence. I was leaving them outside because I thought it was safer due to venting; but the shed is pretty airy too. The only problem is all the equipment in the shed has gas in their gas tanks too (mowers, bikes, a cultivator, weed whackers, blowers, chainsaw, hedge trimmers, pressure washer, etc.). The neighbor's concerns shouldn't be any different. There are still twenty gallons of gas (when full) at a time on my property in gas cans. Then again, I have forty gallons in the garage (in the cars) and so does he. Another fifteen or so gallons in the tools if they're all full. I see him mowing his lawn and using hedge trimmers and weed whackers himself, so he must have at least five gallons himself. |