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From: Bill Murphy on 22 Jul 2010 08:35 On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:15:41 -0500, dpb wrote: > I'd try to make a shaded location ... to minimize the chances of > lifting the safety relief on a hot day of a full can These are the new Blitz enviroflow cans. I don't think they have a safety release. I guess they must, but they've been tested to not leak one bit subject to the hottest temperatures possible out in the sun for a year and they didn't lose an ounce (they measure gas loss by weight, not volume since it expands so much). I always fill to the fill line and no more so I think there is no release (which I know is contrarian thinking) engineered into these cans. I guess if someone artificially heats them to something over 200 degrees, they might have a release, but as far as I know, the tests show they hold their gas (the problem is getting it out, not keeping it in).
From: Bill Murphy on 22 Jul 2010 08:57 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:43:09 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar wrote: >> Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard? >> Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car? > > Do they have vent holes and/or pour spouts? They are certified EPA spillproof leakproof kidproof red plastic gasoline cans. Gas goes in. Never comes out. The only opening is the spout. It has special "engineering" to not let the gas out. Gas only develops about 20psi when heated under the hot sun so that's not enough to blow up the can (http://www.blitzusa.com/faq.htm). There was a test of the Blitz cans on the web (gotta dig for it) which showed absolutely zero weight loss (they measure weight not volume) for a can out in the sun for a year IIRC. When compared to the "vented" can, the Blitz won. Of course, it's a B*TC* to get the gasoline OUT of the can, but that's a whole nother topic.
From: LM on 22 Jul 2010 09:05 On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:38:54 -0500, jameswaters(a)nospam.com wrote: > Since this is California, the state which has more laws than the whole > rest of the country combined, it might be illegal to haul more than > one 5 gal. can in your trunk. EPA web site says nothing about any specific volume for long term gasoline storage. http://www.epa.gov/epahome/hi-summer.htm Using and Storing Gasoline In the summer, lots of portable containers are used to store and transport fuels for lawnmowers, chainsaws and recreational vehicles. These portable containers can emit hydrocarbons; in addition, spills can leak into ground water. Here are some tips to follow to reduce these concerns: Use Proper Containers Use only containers approved by a nationally recognized testing lab, such as Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Containers should be fitted with a spout to allow pouring without spilling and to minimize the generation of vapors. Always open and use gasoline containers in a well-ventilated area away from children and animals. Fill Cautiously Fuel equipment on a hard surface such as concrete or asphalt and use a funnel and/or spout to prevent spilling or splashing when fueling lawn and recreational equipment and always fuel outside where there is adequate ventilation to disperse the vapors Store Carefully Store as little gasoline as possible and be certain to keep your gasoline container properly sealed. Store the gasoline in a cool, dry place and never in direct sunlight. Store at ground level to minimize the danger of falling and spilling. Do not store gasoline in a car trunk. There is a threat of explosion from heat and impact. Do not store gasoline in your basement. Avoid Spills Avoid spilling gasoline on the ground, especially near wells. If a small spill occurs use kitty litter, saw dust or an absorbent towel to soak up the spill, then dispose of it properly Dispose Properly Do not dispose of gasoline down the drain, into surface water, onto the ground, or in the trash. You should check with your town concerning using your local household hazardous waste collection for safe disposal of excess or old gasoline.
From: LM on 22 Jul 2010 09:15 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:30:14 -0700, Steve B wrote: > I also personally wouldn't carry that much gas in the trunk. OSHA regulations exerpts from http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_id=10673&p_table=STANDARDS 1926.152(a)(1): Approved safety cans or Department of Transportation approved containers shall be used for the handling and use of flammable liquids in quantities of 5 gallons or less ... 1926.152(b)(1): No more than 25 gallons of flammable or combustible liquids shall be stored in a room outside of an approved storage cabinet ... 1926.152(b)(2): Quantities of flammable and combustible liquid in excess of 25 gallons shall be stored in an acceptable or approved cabinet meeting the following requirements ... 1926.152(b)(3): Not more than 60 gallons of flammable or 120 gallons of combustible liquids shall be stored in any one storage cabinet. Not more than three such cabinets may be located in a single storage area. Quantities in excess of this shall be stored in an inside storage room.
From: LM on 22 Jul 2010 09:19
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:06:10 -0400, Frank wrote: > It's a local thing: CARB (California Air Resource Board) states http://www.pfcma.com/States_Compliance.htm CARB/OTC Portable Fuel Container & Spout Regulation Updated Apr 2008 State: Transition Date: Full Compliance Date California Jan-01-00 Jan-01-01 Phase II regulation: Jul-01-07 Delaware Jan-01-02 Jan-01-03 Maryland Jan-01-02 Jan-01-03 New York Jan-01-02 Jan-01-03 Pennsylvania Jan-01-02 Jan-01-03 Maine Jan-01-03 Jan-01-04 Virginia Jan-01-05 (specific counties only) Connecticut May-01-04 May-01-05 Washington DC Jan-01-05 Jan-01-06 New Jersey Jan-01-05 Jan-01-06 Texas Jan-01-06 New Hampshire Mar-01-06 Mar-01-07 Ohio Jul-01-07 Massachusetts Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection is awaiting implementation of the U.S. EPA nation-wide Portable Fuel Container Rules scheduled for January 2009. Rhode Island Rhode Island Department of Environmental Management is awaiting implementation of the U.S. EPA nation-wide Portable Fuel Container Rules scheduled for January 2009. Vermont The VT DEC (Dept of Environmental Conservation) is awaiting implementation of the U.S. EPA nation-wide Portable Fuel Container Rules scheduled for January 2009. Illinois The IEPA is currently awaiting implementation of the U.S. EPA nation-wide Portable Fuel Container Rules scheduled for January 2009. National EPA Administrator signed proposed rule similar to CARB's revised rules. Implementation date is January 2009 |