What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road?
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From: Tegger on 28 Oct 2009 16:02 Roger Blake <rogblake10(a)iname10.com> wrote in news:slrnhege2p.dn7.rogblake10(a)svalbard.freeshell.org: > (A car can be kept going pretty much > indefinitely if one is sufficiently determined.) > And if the climate cooperates. Up here in the Rust Belt it is very very very difficult to keep Mother Nature from trying to reclaim a daily-driver-car's body. Impossible, really. -- Tegger
From: clare on 28 Oct 2009 16:17 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njnagel(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On Oct 28, 2:09 pm, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >> N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >If it's a US-centric list, that makes sense, since neither was sold >> >here. >> >> It's a Canadian list. That's why it doesn't have Yugo on it. >> >> However, Peugeot, Renault, and Fiat all sold cars in the US for a while. >> You don't see a lot of them on the road today for reasons that will be >> immediately apparent if you ever drive one. >> --scott >> -- >> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >Not in the last 20 years, I don't think. Last one to leave was >Renault I believe in something like '87 or '88? > >nate Peugeot/Chrysler stopped selling 505 in 1991 The renaul Alliance and Eagles ended in 1987
From: N8N on 28 Oct 2009 16:47 On Oct 28, 4:17 pm, cl...(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Oct 28, 2:09 pm, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: > >> N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >If it's a US-centric list, that makes sense, since neither was sold > >> >here. > > >> It's a Canadian list. That's why it doesn't have Yugo on it. > > >> However, Peugeot, Renault, and Fiat all sold cars in the US for a while. > >> You don't see a lot of them on the road today for reasons that will be > >> immediately apparent if you ever drive one. > >> --scott > >> -- > >> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > > >Not in the last 20 years, I don't think. Last one to leave was > >Renault I believe in something like '87 or '88? > > >nate > > Peugeot/Chrysler stopped selling 505 in 1991 The renaul Alliance and > Eagles ended in 1987 You sure about that? I seem to remember the Peugeot dealership in Pittsburgh packing up and leaving town while Renaults were still being sold. Your date for Renault sounds about right to me, although I think they still did sell the Renault-based Eagle Premier for a couple more years. nate
From: clare on 28 Oct 2009 18:06 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:47:54 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njnagel(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On Oct 28, 4:17 pm, cl...(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Oct 28, 2:09 pm, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >> >> N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >If it's a US-centric list, that makes sense, since neither was sold >> >> >here. >> >> >> It's a Canadian list. That's why it doesn't have Yugo on it. >> >> >> However, Peugeot, Renault, and Fiat all sold cars in the US for a while. >> >> You don't see a lot of them on the road today for reasons that will be >> >> immediately apparent if you ever drive one. >> >> --scott >> >> -- >> >> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >> >> >Not in the last 20 years, I don't think. Last one to leave was >> >Renault I believe in something like '87 or '88? >> >> >nate >> >> Peugeot/Chrysler stopped selling 505 in 1991 The renaul Alliance and >> Eagles ended in 1987 > >You sure about that? I seem to remember the Peugeot dealership in >Pittsburgh packing up and leaving town while Renaults were still being >sold. Your date for Renault sounds about right to me, although I >think they still did sell the Renault-based Eagle Premier for a couple >more years. > >nate Peugeot (in Canada anyways) was sold at select Chrysler dealers for the last few years - and "officially" they were available in 1991. The eagle Premier was "kinda" a renault, but it had either the AMC 4cy or the Volvo/Renault/Peugeot V6 engine - and it was built in Brampton Ontario. - and was available untill 1992. It was BASED on the R21, although all dimensions were different.
From: C. E. White on 28 Oct 2009 21:41
"N8N" <njnagel(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:37772ce1-c6db-4f43-9043-d4ee11a70588(a)m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > > Ed > VW's may have occasional niggling issues that other cars don't, but > they last. And last. And last. Until the body rusts apart, which > actually takes quite a long time, an A1 or A2 chassis VW will hardly > ever have something break that is major enough to make you consider > getting rid of it. They're also quite pleasant to drive, feel much > more solid and yet sporty than other similar products from other > mfgrs. I actually agree with most of what you are saying, but I come down on the other side regarding VW. Never again. We have had four VW products in the family: 1981 Audi Coupe (mine) 1986 VW Jetta (older sister) 1992 VW Passat (youger sister) 1995 VW Jetta (SO's daughter) None of us ever will consider another VW product. I think we all agree they feel solid, drive nicely, look good, have good ergonomics, etc. We also all agree they are unrelaible, constantly suffer from irriating failures, and are expensive to own. The list of failures is long - power windows, cam bet tensioner, fuse box, fuel pumps, palstic bits, paint, dash intruments, motor mounts, A/C, tranmsission, clutch, suspesion bushings, etc., etc. > Yes, I love my old VWs and I wish I could have kept them all. > Especially my '84 Scirocco, I don't know what the hell I was thinking > when I sold that car. I'd probably still be driving it today. Yeah, I used to miss my British Sports Cars, but I got over it. Ed |