From: Silk on
On 25/06/2010 17:47, Adrian wrote:

> Have you looked at the Seat Ibiza ST?

I take it that's rhetorical.
From: Mike P on
On 25 June, 16:31, Silk <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote:
> On 25/06/2010 15:54, Ret. wrote:
>
> > But it's not 'just' to save money - my wife wont drive the Rover, but
> > would drive a smaller car - and a smaller car is simply a lot easier to
> > manoeuvre in tight car parks.
>
> In my experience visibility is more important than size when it comes to
> maneuvering as most cars are roughly the same size in as much as if you
> can get one car in a space you can usually get another.

Yes spot on. Jeep Cherokee - piece of cake to park and manoeuvre about
the place. Loads of visibility, good steering lock.

Ford Puma. Tiny. Awful visibility, a total pain to park anywhere

Mike P


From: Silk on
On 26/06/2010 08:33, Adrian wrote:

> So you've dismissed [Seat] out of hand based on that?

Seats are over priced and inpractical. The interiors also look like an
80s ghetto blaster - a bit like the new Audis. They're simply aimed at a
different market to Skoda. My local dealer is a combined Seat/Skoda
dealer and the differences are immediately obvious when compared side by
side.
>
> Seat's the "value" brand which isn't quite so "hair shirt" as Skoda. So
> expect better materials than Skoda, more recent tech, etc. Obviously, the
> styling of the two is a matter of preference.

There's absolutely nothing about a Seat that's better than a Skoda. The
Skoda is more practical and looks classier on the inside and outside, as
well as being cheaper to buy.

>> and are consistently slated for having an 'uncompromising' ride which,
>> as you know, is not my cup of tea. Also the only car in the range that
>> has the DSG box is a normally aspirated 1.6 petrol.
>
> You think I didn't check this? Seat's website is fairly clear that they
> offer DSG with the 1.2TSi.
>
>> The top trim in the Ibiza is the 'Sport'
>
> <shrug> So look at the SE - all the toys you get with the Labia. Unless
> you've got some kind of fixation with it not being the last one on the
> spec and price list - in which case, you'd surely be looking at the Fabia
> vRS.

Everyone knows that the "sporty" models in most car ranges are usually
based on one above poverty spec. but with a more powerful engine,
"sportier" ride etc. If you want the toys, you you usually have to
settle for a more sedate power-plant. This is certainly the case with
Skoda where a lot of the toys aren't even available as options on the vRS.

> No, you think you know that, despite my regular denials and explanations.
> That's because you don't seem able to comprehend "competence",
> "involvement", "feedback" and - especially - "character".

They're just motoring journalist bullshit.

From: Silk on
On 25/06/2010 20:46, Mike P wrote:
> On 25 June, 16:31, Silk<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 25/06/2010 15:54, Ret. wrote:
>>
>>> But it's not 'just' to save money - my wife wont drive the Rover, but
>>> would drive a smaller car - and a smaller car is simply a lot easier to
>>> manoeuvre in tight car parks.
>>
>> In my experience visibility is more important than size when it comes to
>> maneuvering as most cars are roughly the same size in as much as if you
>> can get one car in a space you can usually get another.
>
> Yes spot on. Jeep Cherokee - piece of cake to park and manoeuvre about
> the place. Loads of visibility, good steering lock.
>
> Ford Puma. Tiny. Awful visibility, a total pain to park anywhere

If I had a Ford Puma, I'd be too ashamed to park it in public.
From: Mike P on
On 26 June, 13:23, Silk <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote:
> On 25/06/2010 20:46, Mike P wrote:
>
> > On 25 June, 16:31, Silk<m...(a)privacy.net>  wrote:
> >> On 25/06/2010 15:54, Ret. wrote:
>
> >>> But it's not 'just' to save money - my wife wont drive the Rover, but
> >>> would drive a smaller car - and a smaller car is simply a lot easier to
> >>> manoeuvre in tight car parks.
>
> >> In my experience visibility is more important than size when it comes to
> >> maneuvering as most cars are roughly the same size in as much as if you
> >> can get one car in a space you can usually get another.
>
> > Yes spot on. Jeep Cherokee - piece of cake to park and manoeuvre about
> > the place. Loads of visibility, good steering lock.
>
> > Ford Puma. Tiny. Awful visibility, a total pain to park anywhere
>
> If I had a Ford Puma, I'd be too ashamed to park it in public.

No you wouldn't. You already drive a Skoda.

Mike P