From: Conor on
On 27/05/2010 11:17, GT wrote:

>> There was no sudden adding of weight.
>
> There was in your post - I was replying to you saying "...even 5 tonnes on
> the back of an artic..."
>
I never mentioned a sudden adding of weight.



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From: Conor on
On 27/05/2010 11:18, GT wrote:
> "Conor"<conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On 27/05/2010 09:53, GT wrote:
>>
>>>> To the side of it. Noise is always louder to the side.
>>>
>>> In whos world?
>>
>> Everyones. I've been in the Army. A rifle being fired sounds a shitload
>> louder to the person to the side of it than the person firing it.
>
> That's simply not true.
>
And your first hand experience is?


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From: Brimstone on
"GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message
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> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message
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>>
>>> Before you reply, please find a toy car and get down on the carpet...
>>> Push the top car along on its wheels, in the direction it is meant to
>>> travel. Now turn it sideways and see how much extra force is required to
>>> move it - its not the mass that is the problem here, its the additional
>>> and sudden increase in drag that is the problem.
>>>
>> Isn't there a slight difference in the resistance of a domestic carpet
>> compared to a wet high speed road surface?
>
> Of course there is a difference between a carpet and a we road, but only
> in the same way as there is a difference between pushing a toy car by hand
> and trying to drag a tonne of metal sideways.
A tonne of metal flat on a surface would have a very different resistance to
two tyres regardless of the surface.


From: GT on
"Conor" <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 27/05/2010 11:12, GT wrote:
>> "Conor"<conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>> On 27/05/2010 10:02, boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well mine has about 350 but thats beside the point.
>>>
>>> Wow, 1/6th...
>>
>> So 1/6th of the pulling/pushing power, so lets reduce the physics
>> accordingly - the car only has to push 166Kg of frictional material
>> along -
>> I'm sure I would notice the reduced power if someone quietly, but
>> suddenly
>> added a small cow in front of my car, even if it were out of sight!
>>
>>>> The noise of hitting the
>>>> cone and the scraping sound would have been a giveaway if I hadn't seen
>>>> it
>>>> already (cone knocked over by another vehicle in roadworks , going to
>>>> fast to
>>>> swerve , not an interesting tale).
>>>>
>>> You were in a car therefore your anecdote is irrelevant.
>>
>> Things getting stuck under cars are irrelevant?
>
> In regards to cones and hearing them, yes.

A cone doesn't weigh anything near 166Kg, so if he could hear a cone
scraping along the road, then it most definitely is relevant as he would
have heard something many times larger and louder!


From: Brimstone on
<boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:09:10 +0100
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well mine has about 350 but thats beside the point. The noise of hitting
>>> the
>>> cone and the scraping sound would have been a giveaway if I hadn't seen
>>> it
>>> already (cone knocked over by another vehicle in roadworks , going to
>>> fast
>>> to
>>> swerve , not an interesting tale).
>>>
>>What if you hadn't seen it and the collision was so gentle that there was
>>no
>>noise transmitted to you?
>
> Then I wouldn't have heard the initial bang. But I'd still have heard the
> scraping sound coming from under the car.
>
How do you know beyond all reasonable doubt that you would have heard it?