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From: Scott Dorsey on 9 Oct 2008 19:22 L Alpert <alpertl(a)xxgmail.com> wrote: > >"dan" <dan(a)nospam.net> wrote in message >news:I%nHk.46070$G23.36215(a)newsreading01.news.tds.net... >> Last I knew, Mobil makes the oil and ATF. Not sure about the rest. > >So it would seem that since Honda does not make these items, there is >no true good reason to prefer Honda ATF or oil over another >manufacturer if produced to the same standards. The problem is verifying that they are produced to the same standards. By purchasing Honda oil, you are basically paying extra for Honda's quality control. Is this worth it? I don't think it is any longer, since the API folks do a pretty good job of things. But for more exotic fluids it might well be. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Bob Jones on 9 Oct 2008 21:18 <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:471df6be-ff73-4d0b-9ceb-a43b8c699b0a(a)b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > Even the OEM ones don't seem to last as long these days. > > > http://www.freep.com/article/20081007/BUSINESS01/810070338/1014 > > For a streak-free windshield, Consumer Reports recommends a wiper made > by Southfield-based Federal-Mogul Corp. > > The magazine tested and ranked 15 models of wiper blades for its > November issue, and Federal-Mogul's Anco 31 Series model offered one > of the best values. > > The Anco ranked third in overall performance, with wipers from Valeo > and RainX taking the first two spots. > > But Anco was one of two wipers to be named a Consumer Reports Best > Buy. The Anco model costs $7 a piece for an 18-inch wiper and $10 for > a 24-inch wiper, compared with $9 and $15 for the top-ranking Valeo > model. > > Consumer Reports, which had its staffers test the wipers on their > vehicles, suggests drivers change their vehicle's windshield wipers > every six months, when even many of the best models started to leave > streaks. Haha, are you talking about wiper blades or wiper blade refills? Replacing the blade every six months is a waste of money.
From: ransley on 10 Oct 2008 06:23 On Oct 9, 6:22 pm, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: > L Alpert <alpe...(a)xxgmail.com> wrote: > > >"dan" <d...(a)nospam.net> wrote in message > >news:I%nHk.46070$G23.36215(a)newsreading01.news.tds.net... > >> Last I knew, Mobil makes the oil and ATF. Not sure about the rest. > > >So it would seem that since Honda does not make these items, there is > >no true good reason to prefer Honda ATF or oil over another > >manufacturer if produced to the same standards. > > The problem is verifying that they are produced to the same standards. > By purchasing Honda oil, you are basically paying extra for Honda's quality > control. Is this worth it? I don't think it is any longer, since the > API folks do a pretty good job of things. But for more exotic fluids it > might well be. > --scott > > -- > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." They dont make oil, they specify it and it is nothing special or better than what other cars use. Paying a dealer his markup is a waste.
From: Retired VIP on 10 Oct 2008 09:36 On 9 Oct 2008 19:22:36 -0400, kludge(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >L Alpert <alpertl(a)xxgmail.com> wrote: >> >>"dan" <dan(a)nospam.net> wrote in message >>news:I%nHk.46070$G23.36215(a)newsreading01.news.tds.net... >>> Last I knew, Mobil makes the oil and ATF. Not sure about the rest. >> >>So it would seem that since Honda does not make these items, there is >>no true good reason to prefer Honda ATF or oil over another >>manufacturer if produced to the same standards. > >The problem is verifying that they are produced to the same standards. >By purchasing Honda oil, you are basically paying extra for Honda's quality >control. Is this worth it? I don't think it is any longer, since the >API folks do a pretty good job of things. But for more exotic fluids it >might well be. >--scott Scott, I don't believe that Honda or any other car manufacturer does quality control testing on anything produced outside of their own factories. It would be prohibitively expensive for Honda to generate a spec on motor oil and then buy and package oil that would meet their specs. They have a minimum API spec and any oil brand that meets their minimum can bid on supplying them with oil. They buy the cheapest that meets their specs. They don't even bottle it, the supplier bottles it and brands it per the customer's wants. My neighbor works for Johnson Controls building car batteries. They don't sell anything under their own brand but their entire production goes out under OEM or after-market branding. I don't know who they currently brand for but at one time they produced OEM batteries for Chrysler, Ford and Honda plus after market for Interstate, Sears and Monkey Ward. Jack
From: cuhulin on 10 Oct 2008 10:15
The new Autozone battery I bought for my 1983 Dodge van was made by Johnson Controls.Chrysler once brought a lawsuit agains't Johnson Controls because of overpricing the batteries. cuhulin |