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From: L Alpert on 11 Oct 2008 12:21 "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in message news:elmop-41CC57.17532810102008(a)news.x-privat.org... > In article <prlue495c95rtnjifnpj92rfkg69viqeu7(a)4ax.com>, > Retired VIP <jackj.extradots.180(a)windstream.net> wrote: > >> Scott, I don't believe that Honda or any other car manufacturer does >> quality control testing on anything produced outside of their own >> factories. > > Sure they do. > > They spec power steering fluid and auto trans fluid, and if you bypass > their stuff, you see problems. > > Engine oil, probably not. I have never had an issue with the Hondas I have owned over the past 30 years or so using off the shelf items such as ATF, antifreeze, brake fluid, oil, etc. I seriously doubt that there is anything "special" about them other than the label.
From: jim beam on 11 Oct 2008 12:29 L Alpert wrote: > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in message > news:elmop-41CC57.17532810102008(a)news.x-privat.org... >> In article <prlue495c95rtnjifnpj92rfkg69viqeu7(a)4ax.com>, >> Retired VIP <jackj.extradots.180(a)windstream.net> wrote: >> >>> Scott, I don't believe that Honda or any other car manufacturer does >>> quality control testing on anything produced outside of their own >>> factories. >> Sure they do. >> >> They spec power steering fluid and auto trans fluid, and if you bypass >> their stuff, you see problems. >> >> Engine oil, probably not. > > I have never had an issue with the Hondas I have owned over the past 30 > years or so using off the shelf items such as ATF, antifreeze, brake fluid, > oil, etc. i use c.o.t.s antifreeze, brake fluid etc., but not atf. in my experience, the only atf that makes a honda shift well is honda z1. if you've added non-honda fluid and it's been "ok", it sounds like you haven't achieved full dilution. > > I seriously doubt that there is anything "special" about them other than the > label. rather than just "doubt", why don't you do some homework? do you "doubt" that the component quality used by honda under the hood is any better than frod? have you ever dissected a honda vs. non-honda spec igniter unit for instance? honda may not manufacture half their stuff directly, but they /do/ write the spec and /do/ undertake q.c.
From: Retired VIP on 11 Oct 2008 15:36 On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:34:01 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: >In article <%n4Ik.4646$Ws1.901(a)nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>, > "L Alpert" <alpertl(a)xxsbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> I have never had an issue with the Hondas I have owned over the past 30 >> years or so using off the shelf items such as ATF, antifreeze, brake fluid, >> oil, etc. >> >> I seriously doubt that there is anything "special" about them other than the >> label. > >Go ahead, then, use non-Honda ATF and tell us what you think. > >Same with coolant. > >Shoot, same with power steering fluid nowadays. > >They're all part of a complex system that's highly engineered. Long >gone are the days of everybody using the same stuff that's off the shelf >at Goober's gas station. What is so 'highly engineered' about a power steering system? Exactly what is there about Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford or Chrysler power steering fluid that makes it special? ATF fluid needs to supply the proper friction modifiers so there is a difference between Ford and GM ATF but if the after-market ATF has the proper modifiers, it will perform the same as the OEM stuff. I've been using Preston Anti-freeze (the green stuff) in my cars for the last 45 years and I have never had a engine or cooling system problem that could have been caused by the coolant. Why pay $15.00 a gallon for anti-freeze that carries a GM or Ford brand when I can get something just as good for half the price? Jack
From: Bob Jones on 11 Oct 2008 16:01 "Retired VIP" <jackj.extradots.180(a)windstream.net> wrote in message news:q5v1f4935sj6f72br01tk1gaq52s61ma14(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:34:01 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" > <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: > >>In article <%n4Ik.4646$Ws1.901(a)nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>, >> "L Alpert" <alpertl(a)xxsbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>> I have never had an issue with the Hondas I have owned over the past 30 >>> years or so using off the shelf items such as ATF, antifreeze, brake >>> fluid, >>> oil, etc. >>> >>> I seriously doubt that there is anything "special" about them other than >>> the >>> label. >> >>Go ahead, then, use non-Honda ATF and tell us what you think. >> >>Same with coolant. >> >>Shoot, same with power steering fluid nowadays. >> >>They're all part of a complex system that's highly engineered. Long >>gone are the days of everybody using the same stuff that's off the shelf >>at Goober's gas station. > > What is so 'highly engineered' about a power steering system? Exactly > what is there about Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford or Chrysler power steering > fluid that makes it special? ATF fluid needs to supply the proper > friction modifiers so there is a difference between Ford and GM ATF > but if the after-market ATF has the proper modifiers, it will perform > the same as the OEM stuff. > How do you know if a particular brand of ATF has the same additives. Some after-market stuff may not cause problems but whether they provide optimal performance for your vehicle is another question. > I've been using Preston Anti-freeze (the green stuff) in my cars for > the last 45 years and I have never had a engine or cooling system > problem that could have been caused by the coolant. Why pay $15.00 a > gallon for anti-freeze that carries a GM or Ford brand when I can get > something just as good for half the price? > According to the service manual, non-OEM anti-freeze on a Honda could lead to corrosion. Why take that chance. The OEM anti-freeze can last for a long long time. $15 is a cheap insurance.
From: jim beam on 11 Oct 2008 16:22
Retired VIP wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:34:01 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" > <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: > >> In article <%n4Ik.4646$Ws1.901(a)nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>, >> "L Alpert" <alpertl(a)xxsbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>> I have never had an issue with the Hondas I have owned over the past 30 >>> years or so using off the shelf items such as ATF, antifreeze, brake fluid, >>> oil, etc. >>> >>> I seriously doubt that there is anything "special" about them other than the >>> label. >> Go ahead, then, use non-Honda ATF and tell us what you think. >> >> Same with coolant. >> >> Shoot, same with power steering fluid nowadays. >> >> They're all part of a complex system that's highly engineered. Long >> gone are the days of everybody using the same stuff that's off the shelf >> at Goober's gas station. > > What is so 'highly engineered' about a power steering system? Exactly > what is there about Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford or Chrysler power steering > fluid that makes it special? ATF fluid needs to supply the proper > friction modifiers so there is a difference between Ford and GM ATF > but if the after-market ATF has the proper modifiers, it will perform > the same as the OEM stuff. > > I've been using Preston Anti-freeze (the green stuff) in my cars for > the last 45 years and I have never had a engine or cooling system > problem that could have been caused by the coolant. Why pay $15.00 a > gallon for anti-freeze that carries a GM or Ford brand when I can get > something just as good for half the price? > > Jack antifreeze with silicates [cheap corrosion inhibitors] cause much sorter seal lives. there's increased abrasion of the seal interface. |