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From: Adrian on 21 May 2010 04:41
ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

> Central London is a great place to shop

No, it isn't. It's hell on earth.
From: Adrian on 21 May 2010 06:08
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

> My grandparents lived in West Ealing, London from 1934 until their
> deaths in the early 1970s. My grandfather was a jobbing carpenter
> working on film sets and exhibitions. He travelled by bicycle and public
> transport, to Elstree, Borhamwood, Denham, Pinewood and all the other
> film studios surrounding London plus the major exhibition centres.

He'd have gone to the NEC, GMEX or even Excel by bike, carrying power
tools?
From: Adrian on 21 May 2010 06:30
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> He'd have gone to the NEC, GMEX or even Excel by bike, carrying power
>> tools?

> More likely by public transport.

Have you ever been to Excel?

> AFAIR he left his tools at his current place of work, or had them
> supplied. I don't recall him carrying them to and fro on a daily basis.

Mmm. I don't think that's exactly viable these days... It might've been
safe back in the days when a chippy only needed a hammer, a brace, and a
hand-saw, but leave a multiple of grand of power tools kicking about?

> The NEC (assuming you mean the one near Brum) from west London is a bit
> far for a daily commute, even by car and made worse by being utterly
> boring.

It's a lot nearer than GMEX is...
From: JNugent on 21 May 2010 11:07
ChelseaTractorMan wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2010 18:09:11 +0100, JNugent
> <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>
>> what is your proffered and preferred alternative?
>
> do not give planning permission to shopping centres along motorways,
> zone retail areas in the middle of population centres.

And would people be able to get there easily by car, threading their way
through bus-lanes, red-for-five-minutes-traffic-lights, sabotaged
carriageways, spy cameras, etc?
From: JNugent on 21 May 2010 11:07
ChelseaTractorMan wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 00:26:06 +0100, JNugent
> <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>
>> How close is "close by"?
>
> places where transport infrastructure is in place and adjacent,
> preferably in, centres of population. Not 20 miles down a motorway.

Offhand, can you name a shopping centre that is twenty or more miles from the
nearest town?
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