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From: GT on 27 Jul 2010 06:00 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:XM2dnQ74Nu96NtPRnZ2dnUVZ8kednZ2d(a)bt.com... > > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4c4ea83e$0$15821$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:zdCdne4JBt1C9NDRnZ2dnUVZ8qadnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> >>> <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >>> news:i2jnar$fae$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:47:24 +0100 >>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>><boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >>>>>news:i2jj26$7pm$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:43:40 +0100 >>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> We're not talking about stopping on a dual carraigeway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Quite, if we were I'd have written "70mph". >>>>>> >>>>>> The limit on most of them is 60. Stick to your bicycle old man. >>>>> >>>>>Really, are you seriously saying that the NSL on a dual carriageway is >>>>>60mph? >>>> >>>> If theres no central reservation yes. Feel free to argue the point. >>> >>> If there's no central reservation what makes you think it's a dual >>> carriageway? >> >> May I butt in with a simple Carriageways vs lanes statement? (clearly >> someone should reply with a 'no' here). >> >> The numbers of 'lanes' on a road and number of 'carriageways' have >> nothing to do with each other. The word carriageway refers to a stretch >> of tarmac. A single stretch of tarmac is a single carriageway and can >> have 1, 2, 3, 4+ lanes painted upon it and those lanes can run in either >> direction. If there are 2 separate pieces of tarmac with a divider >> (gravel trap or grassy strip) between them, then we have two carriageways >> (commonly called dual carriageway). Each of these 2 carriageways can have >> 1, 2, 3+ lanes painted on them, but traffic usually flows in only one >> direction per carriageway. > > Correct. > >> Having said this, I'm not sure if the national 60 limit increases to 70 >> *automatically* as soon as the central reservation appears. I seem to >> remember that there has to be a 'dual carriageway' sign before the limit >> actually goes up to 70, despite the fact that the driver can clearly see >> that the carriageway has split in two. >> > A point I'd not considered. I've always taken the view that a central > reservation makes it a dual carriageway and therefore 70 mph. I mention this as I was speaking to a friend a few years ago about a particular stretch of road. The friend is a police inspector who trains the police motorbike riders, so he should know what he is talking about when it comes to road regulations. There is a stretch of road near us which has 2 carriageways with 2 lanes on each. I had assumed it to be a 70 limit, but he said it is still a 60 and it is not 'officially' a dual carriageway. I did not ask what makes a stretch of dual carriageway 'official' as I was too busy turning the burgers and drinking wine, but the only indication I can think of is the square blue 'dual carriageway' signs.
From: Brimstone on 27 Jul 2010 06:03 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c4eacf6$0$15866$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:s4ednS8HDJPnNtPRnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c4ea046$0$15829$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:7ZKdnZ9Q97VadtDRnZ2dnUVZ7tOdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> >>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4dea37$0$26079$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:FqCdnUmuLrZNe9DRnZ2dnUVZ8lGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>>> >>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4c4ddd83$0$12278$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i2e1s3$2kf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:4c49ba53$0$22739$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:i2c6v5$s8k$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:4c496d79$0$22716$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Boltar's cycling advice is not really very good. I can't >>>>>>>>>>>> imagine why... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And your road knowledge is very very very bad. We all know why! >>>>>>>>>> Who is the "we"? are you and boltar the same person? >>>>>>>>> I was simply referring to anyone in this *driving* group who knows >>>>>>>>> how to drive properly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So you are trying to drum up allies for you bizarre points of view? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not my point of view matey - its the DSA and the highway code! >>>>>> Where in the highway code? >>>>> >>>>> Check the DSA gov website - you'll find it - look under "making good >>>>> progress" >>>> Got a link? >>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DSA.gov >> You've cited a specific entry in the Highway Code. Can you provide a >> direct link to it or not? > > I've already said elsewhere that I can't be bothered trawling through it > all. As I have also already said, the quote I gave earlier is from a DSA > driving examiner when failing a student on his driving test. If you need > more help, please take it up with the DSA and stop shooting the messenger > (me)! What you have failed to understand is that just because one can fail a driving test for failing to do something, that doesn't mean it's in the Highway Code nor that it is an offence. Therefore, until you either provide a link to the relevant page of the HC or confirm that your talking bollocks I'll keep shooting. Your choice.
From: GT on 27 Jul 2010 06:07 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ie-dnekxsYZ-M9PRnZ2dnUVZ8r6dnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4c4eacf6$0$15866$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:s4ednS8HDJPnNtPRnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> >>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>> news:4c4ea046$0$15829$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:7ZKdnZ9Q97VadtDRnZ2dnUVZ7tOdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>> >>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>> news:4c4dea37$0$26079$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:FqCdnUmuLrZNe9DRnZ2dnUVZ8lGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:4c4ddd83$0$12278$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:i2e1s3$2kf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:4c49ba53$0$22739$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:i2c6v5$s8k$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:4c496d79$0$22716$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Boltar's cycling advice is not really very good. I can't >>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine why... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And your road knowledge is very very very bad. We all know why! >>>>>>>>>>> Who is the "we"? are you and boltar the same person? >>>>>>>>>> I was simply referring to anyone in this *driving* group who >>>>>>>>>> knows how to drive properly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So you are trying to drum up allies for you bizarre points of >>>>>>>>> view? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not my point of view matey - its the DSA and the highway code! >>>>>>> Where in the highway code? >>>>>> >>>>>> Check the DSA gov website - you'll find it - look under "making good >>>>>> progress" >>>>> Got a link? >>>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DSA.gov >>> You've cited a specific entry in the Highway Code. Can you provide a >>> direct link to it or not? >> >> I've already said elsewhere that I can't be bothered trawling through it >> all. As I have also already said, the quote I gave earlier is from a DSA >> driving examiner when failing a student on his driving test. If you need >> more help, please take it up with the DSA and stop shooting the messenger >> (me)! > What you have failed to understand is that just because one can fail a > driving test for failing to do something, that doesn't mean it's in the > Highway Code nor that it is an offence. > > Therefore, until you either provide a link to the relevant page of the HC > or confirm that your talking bollocks I'll keep shooting. .... blanks !
From: Brimstone on 27 Jul 2010 06:10 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c4eae36$0$15820$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:XM2dnQ74Nu96NtPRnZ2dnUVZ8kednZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c4ea83e$0$15821$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:zdCdne4JBt1C9NDRnZ2dnUVZ8qadnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> >>>> <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >>>> news:i2jnar$fae$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:47:24 +0100 >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>><boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >>>>>>news:i2jj26$7pm$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:43:40 +0100 >>>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> We're not talking about stopping on a dual carraigeway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Quite, if we were I'd have written "70mph". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The limit on most of them is 60. Stick to your bicycle old man. >>>>>> >>>>>>Really, are you seriously saying that the NSL on a dual carriageway is >>>>>>60mph? >>>>> >>>>> If theres no central reservation yes. Feel free to argue the point. >>>> >>>> If there's no central reservation what makes you think it's a dual >>>> carriageway? >>> >>> May I butt in with a simple Carriageways vs lanes statement? (clearly >>> someone should reply with a 'no' here). >>> >>> The numbers of 'lanes' on a road and number of 'carriageways' have >>> nothing to do with each other. The word carriageway refers to a stretch >>> of tarmac. A single stretch of tarmac is a single carriageway and can >>> have 1, 2, 3, 4+ lanes painted upon it and those lanes can run in either >>> direction. If there are 2 separate pieces of tarmac with a divider >>> (gravel trap or grassy strip) between them, then we have two >>> carriageways (commonly called dual carriageway). Each of these 2 >>> carriageways can have 1, 2, 3+ lanes painted on them, but traffic >>> usually flows in only one direction per carriageway. >> >> Correct. >> >>> Having said this, I'm not sure if the national 60 limit increases to 70 >>> *automatically* as soon as the central reservation appears. I seem to >>> remember that there has to be a 'dual carriageway' sign before the limit >>> actually goes up to 70, despite the fact that the driver can clearly see >>> that the carriageway has split in two. >>> >> A point I'd not considered. I've always taken the view that a central >> reservation makes it a dual carriageway and therefore 70 mph. > > I mention this as I was speaking to a friend a few years ago about a > particular stretch of road. The friend is a police inspector who trains > the police motorbike riders, so he should know what he is talking about > when it comes to road regulations. One would hope so, but I still wouldn't take it as gospel. The only thing which counts in an instance such as this in a court of law is the law, not the opinion of a copper however well qualified. > There is a stretch of road near us which has 2 carriageways with 2 lanes > on each. I had assumed it to be a 70 limit, but he said it is still a 60 > and it is not 'officially' a dual carriageway. > Is this a very short stretch providing a refuge for vehicles turning right? > I did not ask what makes a stretch of dual carriageway 'official' as I > was too busy turning the burgers and drinking wine Glad to hear that you got the priorities right. :-) > but the only indication I can think of is the square blue 'dual > carriageway' signs. It's a possibility. The other possibility is whether or not a road traffic order (by whatever name) has to be published to notify the driving public that the section in question is now a d/c. (In much the same way that a change of speed limit has to be published.)
From: Brimstone on 27 Jul 2010 06:12
"GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c4eafe1$0$15827$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:ie-dnekxsYZ-M9PRnZ2dnUVZ8r6dnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c4eacf6$0$15866$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:s4ednS8HDJPnNtPRnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> >>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4ea046$0$15829$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:7ZKdnZ9Q97VadtDRnZ2dnUVZ7tOdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>>> >>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4c4dea37$0$26079$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:FqCdnUmuLrZNe9DRnZ2dnUVZ8lGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:4c4ddd83$0$12278$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:i2e1s3$2kf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:4c49ba53$0$22739$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:i2c6v5$s8k$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:4c496d79$0$22716$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boltar's cycling advice is not really very good. I can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine why... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And your road knowledge is very very very bad. We all know >>>>>>>>>>>>> why! >>>>>>>>>>>> Who is the "we"? are you and boltar the same person? >>>>>>>>>>> I was simply referring to anyone in this *driving* group who >>>>>>>>>>> knows how to drive properly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So you are trying to drum up allies for you bizarre points of >>>>>>>>>> view? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not my point of view matey - its the DSA and the highway code! >>>>>>>> Where in the highway code? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Check the DSA gov website - you'll find it - look under "making good >>>>>>> progress" >>>>>> Got a link? >>>>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DSA.gov >>>> You've cited a specific entry in the Highway Code. Can you provide a >>>> direct link to it or not? >>> >>> I've already said elsewhere that I can't be bothered trawling through it >>> all. As I have also already said, the quote I gave earlier is from a DSA >>> driving examiner when failing a student on his driving test. If you need >>> more help, please take it up with the DSA and stop shooting the >>> messenger (me)! >> What you have failed to understand is that just because one can fail a >> driving test for failing to do something, that doesn't mean it's in the >> Highway Code nor that it is an offence. >> >> Therefore, until you either provide a link to the relevant page of the HC >> or confirm that your talking bollocks I'll keep shooting. > > ... blanks ! So where's the link? |