From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:41:41 -0000, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:

>When was the onset of the mass car culture Doug?
>
when most people got cars and wanted to park them, normal people, not
fanatics.
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Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: NM on
On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:

>
> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it
> is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces.

I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for
the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. Those
like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in a
big city may feel somewhat different.

In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should be
taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain car
ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable revenue
stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund your
lifestyle.


From: Tony Dragon on
Doug wrote:
> On 5 Mar, 13:33, delboy <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 5 Mar, 13:24, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> From the latest 'Street Lifre' Spring 2010 by Living Streets.
>>> "There are 28 million cars on our streets, and 90% of the
>>> time they will be parked.
>>> As car ownership has increased, so to has the pressure for
>>> car parking spaces, resulting in an increasing number of
>>> vehicles being parked illegally on our pavements. Although
>>> it might not seem like a major problem to many, for
>>> parents with buggies, people using wheelchairs or older
>>> people who need support to walk, pavements blocked by
>>> parked cars can mean there is no way through without
>>> being forced to risk walking in the road. And it is not just
>>> access which causes problems - our pavements aren�t built
>>> to withstand the weight of vehicles � by driving onto them
>>> footpaths get damaged, creating trip hazards that cause
>>> even more problems.
>>> We want:
>>> � the UK Government to make pavement parking illegal
>>> throughout the UK;
>>> � the Scottish Government to expand dropped kerb
>>> regulations into Scotland;
>>> � all local authorities to take on the enforcement of
>>> parking offences;
>>> � the UK Government to lead a wider national �pavement
>>> education� campaign on all aspects of using our
>>> pavements � including anti-social parking and cycling;
>>> � where police are responsible for enforcement, to take
>>> the issue more seriously and enforce all instances of
>>> pavement parking."
>>> �Where I live motorists not
>>> only park, but also drive
>>> for some distance along a
>>> pavement by the shops. It�s
>>> only four feet wide at most,
>>> and pedestrians are forced
>>> into the road. Sometimes
>>> it is frightening, and makes
>>> walking locally a trial rather
>>> than a pleasure.�
>>> http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/
>>> --
>>> UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net
>>> All public road users are equal but some are more equal than others.
>> I can feel that strange pain in my backside coming on again!
>>
>> Parking your car alongside the kerb just reduces the amount of
>> remaining width on the road for all users, including cyclists.
>> Obviously if you park partly on the pavement you should leave enough
>> room for mothers pushing baby buggies etc.
>>
> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it
> is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. Why this was ever
> allowed by government in the first place at the onset of the mass car
> culture is a complete mystery.
>
> --
> Carfree UK
> http://carfree.org.uk/
> Promoting carfree development and its environmental, social, financial
> and health benefits.

"Miss Marple investigates The Case of the Mass Car Culture" by Agatha
Christe.

--
Tony Dragon
From: Halmyre on
On 5 Mar, 13:24, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:

> “Where I live motorists not
> only park, but also drive
> for some distance along a
> pavement by the shops. It’s
> only four feet wide at most,
> and cyclists are forced
> into the road. Sometimes
> it is frightening, and makes
> cycling on the pavements a trial rather
> than a pleasure.”
>

Corrected your post for you.

--
Halmyre
From: Doug on
On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote:
> On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it
> > is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces.
>
> I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for
> the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. Those
> like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in a
> big city may feel somewhat different.
>
Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I
used to use for parking
>
> In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should be
> taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain car
> ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable revenue
> stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund your
> lifestyle.
>
What motorists contribute is offset by all the harm they cause and I
don't need them to fund me. If there was a price I could put on the
inconvenience and danger they cause me it would be considerable.

--
Carfree UK
http://carfree.org.uk/
Promoting carfree development and its environmental, social, financial
and health benefits.


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