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From: ChelseaTractorMan on 5 Mar 2010 08:54 On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:41:41 -0000, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >When was the onset of the mass car culture Doug? > when most people got cars and wanted to park them, normal people, not fanatics. -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: NM on 5 Mar 2010 09:49 On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it > is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. Those like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in a big city may feel somewhat different. In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should be taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain car ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable revenue stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund your lifestyle.
From: Tony Dragon on 5 Mar 2010 10:48 Doug wrote: > On 5 Mar, 13:33, delboy <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> On 5 Mar, 13:24, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> From the latest 'Street Lifre' Spring 2010 by Living Streets. >>> "There are 28 million cars on our streets, and 90% of the >>> time they will be parked. >>> As car ownership has increased, so to has the pressure for >>> car parking spaces, resulting in an increasing number of >>> vehicles being parked illegally on our pavements. Although >>> it might not seem like a major problem to many, for >>> parents with buggies, people using wheelchairs or older >>> people who need support to walk, pavements blocked by >>> parked cars can mean there is no way through without >>> being forced to risk walking in the road. And it is not just >>> access which causes problems - our pavements aren�t built >>> to withstand the weight of vehicles � by driving onto them >>> footpaths get damaged, creating trip hazards that cause >>> even more problems. >>> We want: >>> � the UK Government to make pavement parking illegal >>> throughout the UK; >>> � the Scottish Government to expand dropped kerb >>> regulations into Scotland; >>> � all local authorities to take on the enforcement of >>> parking offences; >>> � the UK Government to lead a wider national �pavement >>> education� campaign on all aspects of using our >>> pavements � including anti-social parking and cycling; >>> � where police are responsible for enforcement, to take >>> the issue more seriously and enforce all instances of >>> pavement parking." >>> �Where I live motorists not >>> only park, but also drive >>> for some distance along a >>> pavement by the shops. It�s >>> only four feet wide at most, >>> and pedestrians are forced >>> into the road. Sometimes >>> it is frightening, and makes >>> walking locally a trial rather >>> than a pleasure.� >>> http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/ >>> -- >>> UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net >>> All public road users are equal but some are more equal than others. >> I can feel that strange pain in my backside coming on again! >> >> Parking your car alongside the kerb just reduces the amount of >> remaining width on the road for all users, including cyclists. >> Obviously if you park partly on the pavement you should leave enough >> room for mothers pushing baby buggies etc. >> > Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it > is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. Why this was ever > allowed by government in the first place at the onset of the mass car > culture is a complete mystery. > > -- > Carfree UK > http://carfree.org.uk/ > Promoting carfree development and its environmental, social, financial > and health benefits. "Miss Marple investigates The Case of the Mass Car Culture" by Agatha Christe. -- Tony Dragon
From: Halmyre on 5 Mar 2010 10:56 On 5 Mar, 13:24, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > Where I live motorists not > only park, but also drive > for some distance along a > pavement by the shops. Its > only four feet wide at most, > and cyclists are forced > into the road. Sometimes > it is frightening, and makes > cycling on the pavements a trial rather > than a pleasure. > Corrected your post for you. -- Halmyre
From: Doug on 5 Mar 2010 12:39
On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: > On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it > > is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. > > I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for > the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. Those > like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in a > big city may feel somewhat different. > Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I used to use for parking > > In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should be > taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain car > ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable revenue > stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund your > lifestyle. > What motorists contribute is offset by all the harm they cause and I don't need them to fund me. If there was a price I could put on the inconvenience and danger they cause me it would be considerable. -- Carfree UK http://carfree.org.uk/ Promoting carfree development and its environmental, social, financial and health benefits. |