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From: Ret. on 5 Mar 2010 15:13 Doug wrote: > On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: >> On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it >>> is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. >> >> I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for >> the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. Those >> like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in >> a big city may feel somewhat different. >> > Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I > used to use for parking >> >> In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should >> be taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain >> car ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable >> revenue stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund >> your lifestyle. >> > What motorists contribute is offset by all the harm they cause and I > don't need them to fund me. If there was a price I could put on the > inconvenience and danger they cause me it would be considerable. What you consistently fail to address, Doug, is that today's society can only operate with the ready availability of personal transport. If all existing car owners were required to park on the road rather than partially on the pavement, then fire-engines and ambulances would be unable to get anywhere near half the homes in the country. Because of today's mobile society, many people have to travel miles to get to work and, despite claims to the contrary, public transport is wholly unable to fulfill that need. What do you think would happen to the economy if everyone who did not have an off-road parking space had to get rid of their cars? Kev
From: JNugent on 5 Mar 2010 17:09 Ret. wrote: > Doug wrote: >> On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it >>>> is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. >>> >>> I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for >>> the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. Those >>> like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in >>> a big city may feel somewhat different. >>> >> Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I >> used to use for parking >>> >>> In view of the amount that motorists contribute I feel steps should >>> be taken to provide adequate parking simply because if you constrain >>> car ownership and use you breed discontent and cut off a valuable >>> revenue stream, cars generate bundles of cash, you need it to fund >>> your lifestyle. >>> >> What motorists contribute is offset by all the harm they cause and I >> don't need them to fund me. If there was a price I could put on the >> inconvenience and danger they cause me it would be considerable. > > What you consistently fail to address, Doug, is that today's society can > only operate with the ready availability of personal transport. > If all existing car owners were required to park on the road rather than > partially on the pavement, then fire-engines and ambulances would be > unable to get anywhere near half the homes in the country. Yes, but requiring people to park cars on the road would be an odd law to pass. It wopuld be more logical to ban the practice (at one's home, at any rate). As for the needs of the emergency services, the parking of vehicles so as to effectively prevent attendance at emergencies should be a simple and straightforward offence - no ifs, buts or excuses. I would never (genuine emergencies excepted) leave a car in a position whch caused such obstruction. Would you? The fact is, if one hasn't got somewhere of one's own to park a car at home, one should not expect the rest of the citizenry to provide it FOC, often out of scarce, limited, resources with alternative uses - like letting fire-appliances and ambulances get to emergencies. > Because of today's mobile society, many people have to travel miles to > get to work and, despite claims to the contrary, public transport is > wholly unable to fulfill that need. All true. It still doesn't mean that facilities should be provided to some driver (but not to others) FOC. Cars and their running cost money. Parking (at home) costs money. > What do you think would happen to the economy if everyone who did not > have an off-road parking space had to get rid of their cars? The economy would get a huge boost as they all sought accommodation with garages?
From: Jim A on 5 Mar 2010 17:43 Ret. wrote: > What you consistently fail to address, Doug, is that today's society can > only operate with the ready availability of personal transport. That would be the bicycle then. -- www.slowbicyclemovement.org - enjoy the ride
From: The Medway Handyman on 5 Mar 2010 19:18 Brimstone wrote: > "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > news:c14ff8d8-307b-46b2-ba08-af22bd5529c8(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... >> On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when >>>> it is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. >>> >>> I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for >>> the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. >>> Those like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to >>> live in a big city may feel somewhat different. >>> >> Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I >> used to use for parking > > So you've concreted over an area intended for growing plants? Hardly > environmentally friendly is it Doug? And increased the flooding problem. -- Dave - the small piece of 14th century armour used to protect the armpit.
From: The Medway Handyman on 5 Mar 2010 19:40
Doug wrote: > From the latest 'Street Lifre' Spring 2010 by Living Streets. > > "There are 28 million cars on our streets, and 90% of the > time they will be parked. I think this clearly shows what a complete fuckwit you and your phycolist bum chums are. 90% of 28 million is 2.8 million. Since there are 246,988 miles of road in the UK and 90% of cars are parked, that only leaves 1 car travelling for every 11 miles of road. I wonder why we have so much congestion then? -- Dave - the small piece of 14th century armour used to protect the armpit. |