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From: FrengaX on 6 Mar 2010 04:16 On Mar 5, 1:38 pm, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > On 5 Mar, 13:33, delboy <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > On 5 Mar, 13:24, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > From the latest 'Street Lifre' Spring 2010 by Living Streets. > > > > "There are 28 million cars on our streets, and 90% of the > > > time they will be parked. > > > As car ownership has increased, so to has the pressure for > > > car parking spaces, resulting in an increasing number of > > > vehicles being parked illegally on our pavements. Although > > > it might not seem like a major problem to many, for > > > parents with buggies, people using wheelchairs or older > > > people who need support to walk, pavements blocked by > > > parked cars can mean there is no way through without > > > being forced to risk walking in the road. And it is not just > > > access which causes problems - our pavements arent built > > > to withstand the weight of vehicles by driving onto them > > > footpaths get damaged, creating trip hazards that cause > > > even more problems. > > > > We want: > > > the UK Government to make pavement parking illegal > > > throughout the UK; > > > the Scottish Government to expand dropped kerb > > > regulations into Scotland; > > > all local authorities to take on the enforcement of > > > parking offences; > > > the UK Government to lead a wider national pavement > > > education campaign on all aspects of using our > > > pavements including anti-social parking and cycling; > > > where police are responsible for enforcement, to take > > > the issue more seriously and enforce all instances of > > > pavement parking." > > > > Where I live motorists not > > > only park, but also drive > > > for some distance along a > > > pavement by the shops. Its > > > only four feet wide at most, > > > and pedestrians are forced > > > into the road. Sometimes > > > it is frightening, and makes > > > walking locally a trial rather > > > than a pleasure. > > > >http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/ > > > > -- > > > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net > > > All public road users are equal but some are more equal than others. > > > I can feel that strange pain in my backside coming on again! > > > Parking your car alongside the kerb just reduces the amount of > > remaining width on the road for all users, including cyclists. > > Obviously if you park partly on the pavement you should leave enough > > room for mothers pushing baby buggies etc. > > Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it > is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. Why this was ever > allowed by government in the first place at the onset of the mass car > culture is a complete mystery. Why do you ask such dumb questions? We live in a democracy (or sorts). When prosperity and mobility are increasing, who is going to stand on an election platform which will deny a good chunk of theose aspirants from having a piece of the cake?
From: Tony Dragon on 6 Mar 2010 04:20 Doug wrote: > On 5 Mar, 18:03, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:c14ff8d8-307b-46b2-ba08-af22bd5529c8(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... >> >>> On 5 Mar, 14:49, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: >>>> On 5 Mar, 13:38, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >>>>> Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it >>>>> is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. >>>> I'd go along with that however I live in the country and except for >>>> the high summer season I can always find somewhere to leave it. Those >>>> like yourself, who are unfortunate, for whatever reasons, to live in a >>>> big city may feel somewhat different. >>> Despite living in a city I have a front garden with a space which I >>> used to use for parking >> So you've concreted over an area intended for growing plants? Hardly >> environmentally friendly is it Doug? >> > Thanks for highlighting yet another problem caused by car users, there > are so many! Yes indeed such concreting encourages flooding and is > environmentally unfriendly. Fortunately for me only a portion of my > garden is concreted and the rest is earth with plants. > > BTW, aren't you drifting off topic again, Brim? > > -- > Car Free Living Project > http://www.carfreelivingproject.org.uk/ > For people wishing to live without a car Please rearrange these words into a well known phrase or saying - pot the kettle black calling the -- Tony Dragon
From: Doug on 6 Mar 2010 05:20 On 6 Mar, 09:12, FrengaX <hnkjqr...(a)sneakemail.com> wrote: > On Mar 6, 7:13 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > On 6 Mar, 00:48, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)no-spam- > > > blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > > The Medway Handyman wrote: > > > > Doug wrote: > > > >> From the latest 'Street Lifre' Spring 2010 by Living Streets. > > > > >> "There are 28 million cars on our streets, and 90% of the > > > >> time they will be parked. > > > > > I think this clearly shows what a complete fuckwit you and your > > > > phycolist bum chums are. > > > > > 90% of 28 million is 2.8 million. > > > > > Since there are 246,988 miles of road in the UK and 90% of cars are > > > > parked, that only leaves 1 car travelling for every 11 miles of road. > > > > That should read 11 cars per mile of road. > > > So if every car was parked on roads and pavements that would be about > > 100 per mile on average but more in urban areas and less in rural. In > > London it must be closer to 1000 per mile parked on roads and > > pavements. Nasty eh? > > 100 per mile? A nuke us 5280 feet. That means one car per 5 feet 3 > inches. I think your own maths is way out. Try applying some > reasonable thought before making ridiculous pronouncements. > Pot kettle. 25million cars not in use/246988 miles = 101.219 cars per mile. -- Car Free Cities http://www.carfree.com/ Carfree Cities proposes a delightful solution to the vexing problem of urban automobiles.
From: The Medway Handyman on 6 Mar 2010 05:26 Doug wrote: > On 6 Mar, 00:48, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)no-spam- > blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> The Medway Handyman wrote: >>> Doug wrote: >>>> From the latest 'Street Lifre' Spring 2010 by Living Streets. >> >>>> "There are 28 million cars on our streets, and 90% of the >>>> time they will be parked. >> >>> I think this clearly shows what a complete fuckwit you and your >>> phycolist bum chums are. >> >>> 90% of 28 million is 2.8 million. >> >>> Since there are 246,988 miles of road in the UK and 90% of cars are >>> parked, that only leaves 1 car travelling for every 11 miles of >>> road. >> >> That should read 11 cars per mile of road. >> > So if every car was parked on roads and pavements that would be about > 100 per mile on average but more in urban areas and less in rural. In > London it must be closer to 1000 per mile parked on roads and > pavements. Nasty eh? You seem to have snipped "I wonder why we have so much congestion then?" in order to twist the argument. The point is that 90% of cars are not parked at any given time. That figure is clearly bollox from a cycling web site. -- Dave - the small piece of 14th century armour used to protect the armpit.
From: Doug on 6 Mar 2010 05:30
On 6 Mar, 09:16, FrengaX <hnkjqr...(a)sneakemail.com> wrote: > On Mar 5, 1:38 pm, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > On 5 Mar, 13:33, delboy <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > > On 5 Mar, 13:24, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > From the latest 'Street Lifre' Spring 2010 by Living Streets. > > > > > "There are 28 million cars on our streets, and 90% of the > > > > time they will be parked. > > > > As car ownership has increased, so to has the pressure for > > > > car parking spaces, resulting in an increasing number of > > > > vehicles being parked illegally on our pavements. Although > > > > it might not seem like a major problem to many, for > > > > parents with buggies, people using wheelchairs or older > > > > people who need support to walk, pavements blocked by > > > > parked cars can mean there is no way through without > > > > being forced to risk walking in the road. And it is not just > > > > access which causes problems - our pavements arent built > > > > to withstand the weight of vehicles by driving onto them > > > > footpaths get damaged, creating trip hazards that cause > > > > even more problems. > > > > > We want: > > > > the UK Government to make pavement parking illegal > > > > throughout the UK; > > > > the Scottish Government to expand dropped kerb > > > > regulations into Scotland; > > > > all local authorities to take on the enforcement of > > > > parking offences; > > > > the UK Government to lead a wider national pavement > > > > education campaign on all aspects of using our > > > > pavements including anti-social parking and cycling; > > > > where police are responsible for enforcement, to take > > > > the issue more seriously and enforce all instances of > > > > pavement parking." > > > > > Where I live motorists not > > > > only park, but also drive > > > > for some distance along a > > > > pavement by the shops. Its > > > > only four feet wide at most, > > > > and pedestrians are forced > > > > into the road. Sometimes > > > > it is frightening, and makes > > > > walking locally a trial rather > > > > than a pleasure. > > > > >http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/ > > > > > -- > > > > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net > > > > All public road users are equal but some are more equal than others.. > > > > I can feel that strange pain in my backside coming on again! > > > > Parking your car alongside the kerb just reduces the amount of > > > remaining width on the road for all users, including cyclists. > > > Obviously if you park partly on the pavement you should leave enough > > > room for mothers pushing baby buggies etc. > > > Better still, only buy a car if you have somewhere to put it when it > > is not in use, instead of cluttering public spaces. Why this was ever > > allowed by government in the first place at the onset of the mass car > > culture is a complete mystery. > > Why do you ask such dumb questions? We live in a democracy (or sorts). > When prosperity and mobility are increasing, who is going to stand on > an election platform which will deny a good chunk of theose aspirants > from having a piece of the cake? > Actually we live in a sham democracy where pressure groups tend to have more influence than voters. True the car culture pressure group has a lot of clout but it has a poor reputation and is opposed by other pressure groups. Meanwhile successive governments continue sneaking in legislation, between elections, which penalises motorists and makes motoring somewhat less attractive. It is not difficult to see the direction in which this is evolving. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net The easier it is to travel the more people will travel. |