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From: Mr.T on 20 Jun 2010 00:26 "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4c1c6c17$0$28659$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > Whether or not the big increase in road fatalities in Vic is a > statistical anomaly or not doesn't change the fact that there has been a > big increase (3 more on Friday) so its clear that more needs to be done > other than just increasing already draconian speed enforcement. > It is plainly obvious that more of the same is simply not working. So expect more of the same, and nothing else! MrT.
From: Mr.T on 20 Jun 2010 00:32 "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4c1c8e3f$0$28670$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > The problem with that is speed is only one factor in the cause of > crashes, you can exceed the speed limit safely by a big margin in some > circumstances but driving at the speed limit can be dangerous in others. > I don't know if there are any published figures but I'd be amazed if a > lot of fatalities aren't occurring at or below the speed limit. A huge number often involving trucks! But when in doubt about the primary cause of any accident, the police simply tick the "excessive speed" box, so nobody actually knows how many crashes are mainly due to speed in any case. One thing is for sure, speed is NEVER the sole cause! MrT.
From: atec7 7 ""atec77" on 20 Jun 2010 00:46 Mr.T wrote: > "atec7 7" <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message > news:hvd3tq$5b1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> I find most tailgaters are young and over estimate the reflex time >> they leave braking hard in the ftruck usually generates a cure > > I'm sure the crash repairers are happy with you, but you have no sympathy > from me for any inconvenience it causes to you in the process. > Simply ignoring them until you can safely let them past works just as well. > > MrT. > > > > Why offer a chance ? legal braking for a turn or stop when THEY are to close is alowed is it not ? If they suffer a blood pressure problem why would I care when I am reasonably well protected in a couple of tonnes of cage ?
From: Mr.T on 20 Jun 2010 00:58 "atec7 7" <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message news:hvk6fm$292$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> I find most tailgaters are young and over estimate the reflex time > >> they leave braking hard in the ftruck usually generates a cure > > > > I'm sure the crash repairers are happy with you, but you have no sympathy > > from me for any inconvenience it causes to you in the process. > > Simply ignoring them until you can safely let them past works just as well. > > Why offer a chance ? > legal braking for a turn or stop when THEY are to close is alowed is > it not ? Of course, and you do signal your intentions as legally required right? > If they suffer a blood pressure problem why would I care when I am > reasonably well protected in a couple of tonnes of cage ? As I said, IF you think two wrongs make a right, then no sympathy from me for the inconvenience incurred when getting your truck repaired. MrT.
From: D Walford on 20 Jun 2010 02:38
On 20/06/2010 12:49 PM, the fonz wrote: > On Jun 19, 7:30 pm, D Walford<dwalf...(a)internode.on.net> wrote: > >> The problem with that is speed is only one factor in the cause of >> crashes, you can exceed the speed limit safely by a big margin in some >> circumstances but driving at the speed limit can be dangerous in others. >> I don't know if there are any published figures but I'd be amazed if a >> lot of fatalities aren't occurring at or below the speed limit. > > of course crashes occur for a range of reasons. but as long as speed > is a significant factor, and i have no doubt it is, then that's > justification for enforcing it. > >> High speed crashes which result in fatalities make the TV news but they >> aren't the whole problem, if we somehow eliminated that type of crash >> involving young drivers, powerful cars and excessive speed we would >> still have many fatalities. > > we'd have a lot less though, which is really the point A lot? Those type of crashes don't account for a high percentage of fatalities. > >> The heavy enforcement seems to be failing because the numbers of those >> types of crashes is increasing, if targeted enforcement was working then >> they would be reducing. > > again, if you look at the figures i provided, you can see that > fatalities have been falling. you will always get fluctuations, such > as when the economy lifts (people drive more) or a carload of > teenagers decides to drive at high speed into a tree. You can get statistical fluctuations but the current rise in Vic fatalities is IMO more than that, there is currently an 11% increase over last year, motorcyclists deaths have almost doubled. The figures don't show a significant increase in deaths of the young drivers. The figures show a big drop in deaths in the 18-20 age group but increases in the 26-29 and 50-59 age groups. http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/jsp/statistics/roadtollcurrent.do?areaID=23&tierID=1&navID=2 > >> I don't think its possible to completely eliminate the idiot factor but >> education would at least show these people what the likely result of >> their idiocy might be so they might be less inclined to behave like idiots. > > i agree. i think we should be stricter about this. we already do it > with drink drivers. if you're caught hooning or guilty of any other > serious offence, drivers should be put through education. but a lot of > people have proposed education as an alternative to enforcement - > sometimes for dubious (self interested) reasons, which i disagree > with. it should be in addition. IMO if there was better driver education there wouldn't be as much need for strict enforcement. I have said several times that we need more Police on the roads so I'm not against enforcement but the emphasis should be changed from just speed to other areas of bad driving which IMO contribute just as much if not more to crashes. Daryl |