The fragility of car computers revealed.
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From: Halmyre on 25 May 2010 15:19 In article <862lg7Fdk4U1(a)mid.individual.net>, NOcupra.sSPAM(a)gmail.com says... > > > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:BPKdnSUJc4qt-2bWnZ2dnUVZ8nSdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:cda489cc-8685-4ee5-8176-5441f49463b3(a)e28g2000vbd.googlegroups.com... > > > >> So the engine can stop and the brakes fail if the computer > >> malfunctions. > > > > No Doug, only when it is interfered with by an external computer which has > > been plugged in to the car's system. > > Could happen... only today on the M5 someone pulled alongside me and tried > to hurl a comms cable though my closed window - lord only knows what could > have happened if he'd hit the port! > It might have spilled it. Do you serve it with Stilton? -- Halmyre This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your head clean off.
From: cupra on 25 May 2010 15:44 "Halmyre" <no.spam(a)this.address> wrote in message news:MPG.26663111c4bec5a998a364(a)news.eternal-september.org... > In article <862lg7Fdk4U1(a)mid.individual.net>, NOcupra.sSPAM(a)gmail.com > says... >> >> >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:BPKdnSUJc4qt-2bWnZ2dnUVZ8nSdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> > "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> > news:cda489cc-8685-4ee5-8176-5441f49463b3(a)e28g2000vbd.googlegroups.com... >> > >> >> So the engine can stop and the brakes fail if the computer >> >> malfunctions. >> > >> > No Doug, only when it is interfered with by an external computer which >> > has >> > been plugged in to the car's system. >> >> Could happen... only today on the M5 someone pulled alongside me and >> tried >> to hurl a comms cable though my closed window - lord only knows what >> could >> have happened if he'd hit the port! >> > > It might have spilled it. Do you serve it with Stilton? Port, on the M5? Manners dear boy!
From: Doug on 26 May 2010 01:52 On 25 May, 08:17, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:0fac0491-913a-439e-90e3-4726e85d066c(a)y12g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... > > > A wake up call eh? Not overly concerned but a little concerned maybe? > > I know I would be very concerned if my life depended on a computer > > working 100% properly throughout its useful lifetime. > > What makes you think that the computer in a car is the same as the one on > your desk Doug? > Its not the same. The one on my desk is not a threat to my life and the lives of others as is a car computer. > > > Thes researchers have proved conclusively that the car computer can > > cause the engine and brakes to malfunction, thus putting road users at > > risk. > > Only when interfered with by an external computer. > How do you know that for sure? Source? How about interfered with by dampness or cold or heat or corrosion, vibration, etc? > > > Whether the computer will actually malfunction in this way > > remains a moot point but should be a matter of serious concern to > > anyone who cares about road safety, which apparently excludes most of > > the motorists who post here. > > It also excludes you Doug, because if you had any understanding you would > realise that there is no point in jumping up and down and getting excited. > > The only result from this research for the future is that car designers need > to make sure that new designs cannot be interfered with by those with evil > intent. > Wrong again. They must ensure that their computers are 100% reliable in all climatic conditions over a time period of several years, even when operated on a daily basis, which I suggest to you is impossible. -- UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Tony Dragon on 26 May 2010 02:36 Doug wrote: > On 25 May, 08:17, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:0fac0491-913a-439e-90e3-4726e85d066c(a)y12g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... >> >>> A wake up call eh? Not overly concerned but a little concerned maybe? >>> I know I would be very concerned if my life depended on a computer >>> working 100% properly throughout its useful lifetime. >> What makes you think that the computer in a car is the same as the one on >> your desk Doug? >> > Its not the same. The one on my desk is not a threat to my life and > the lives of others as is a car computer. >>> Thes researchers have proved conclusively that the car computer can >>> cause the engine and brakes to malfunction, thus putting road users at >>> risk. >> Only when interfered with by an external computer. >> > How do you know that for sure? Source? How about interfered with by > dampness or cold or heat or corrosion, vibration, etc? >>> Whether the computer will actually malfunction in this way >>> remains a moot point but should be a matter of serious concern to >>> anyone who cares about road safety, which apparently excludes most of >>> the motorists who post here. >> It also excludes you Doug, because if you had any understanding you would >> realise that there is no point in jumping up and down and getting excited. >> >> The only result from this research for the future is that car designers need >> to make sure that new designs cannot be interfered with by those with evil >> intent. >> > Wrong again. They must ensure that their computers are 100% reliable > in all climatic conditions over a time period of several years, even > when operated on a daily basis, which I suggest to you is impossible. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns. > http://www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. > Sighhhh, oh dear. -- Tony Dragon
From: Adrian on 26 May 2010 02:51
Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> > Thes researchers have proved conclusively that the car computer can >> > cause the engine and brakes to malfunction, thus putting road users >> > at risk. >> Only when interfered with by an external computer. > How do you know that for sure? Source? The article you posted at the start of the thread. > How about interfered with by dampness or cold or heat or corrosion, > vibration, etc? Specifically designed for it. > Wrong again. They must ensure that their computers are 100% reliable in > all climatic conditions over a time period of several years, even when > operated on a daily basis, which I suggest to you is impossible. Specifically designed and tested for it. |