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From: Norman Wells on 30 Jun 2010 14:56 Cynic wrote: > Without implying that I believe (or disbelieve) that any such "memory" > exists, if it *did* exist, what you have stated does not follow. It > might be that some event such as an evaporation/condensation cycle > resets the memory, and so water only retains the memory of what it has > been in contact with since its last vapour phase. Distilled water > would thus be a clean slate. > > The idea may be implausible, but it is by no means impossible. Yes it is. > The > idea that invisible energy exuded from a very low power source can be > detected in thin air on the opposite side of the planet was also a > pretty implausible idea. So is the existence of fairies. And I'm quite prepared to say they don't exist either. > I'm pretty certain that before we knew about > radio waves you would have been just as scathing about that claim. > > Water has some very interesting and unique molecular properties, some > of which were only discovered relatively recently. Like what? > It would be > arrogant to assume that we have definitely discovered all there is to > know about it. We never know everything about anything But we know quite enough about an awful lot, and perfectly sufficient to say that what you're contemplating is utter nonsense.
From: Steve Firth on 30 Jun 2010 17:48 Andy <Andy(a)nojunqmail.com> wrote: > Of course it doesn't follow. > For you scenario to happen then every water molecule in the world would only > retain memory of the molecules it had been in contact with. <sigh> So, just like the homeopaths you don't understand Avogadro's Number?
From: Andy on 1 Jul 2010 02:36 "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1jkx3cm.15xgqpzceuh5N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk... > Andy <Andy(a)nojunqmail.com> wrote: > >> Of course it doesn't follow. >> For you scenario to happen then every water molecule in the world would >> only >> retain memory of the molecules it had been in contact with. > > <sigh> > > So, just like the homeopaths you don't understand Avogadro's Number? I could just about dredge up Avagadros number and moles and stuff from memory? Do you understand humour or did you just stop there and not read the rest of the post? You DO realise I was not serious don't you? Andy
From: Cynic on 1 Jul 2010 08:46 On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:56:41 +0100, "Norman Wells" <stibbons(a)unseen.ac.am> wrote: >> Without implying that I believe (or disbelieve) that any such "memory" >> exists, if it *did* exist, what you have stated does not follow. It >> might be that some event such as an evaporation/condensation cycle >> resets the memory, and so water only retains the memory of what it has >> been in contact with since its last vapour phase. Distilled water >> would thus be a clean slate. >> The idea may be implausible, but it is by no means impossible. >Yes it is. The only things that I would apply such a label to are those things that involve logical contradictions or defiance or very well-established laws of nature. Even then I would hedge with a few caveats. >> The >> idea that invisible energy exuded from a very low power source can be >> detected in thin air on the opposite side of the planet was also a >> pretty implausible idea. >So is the existence of fairies. And I'm quite prepared to say they don't >exist either. By using the word "either" you are stating that you don't believe in the existence of radio waves. >> Water has some very interesting and unique molecular properties, some >> of which were only discovered relatively recently. >Like what? Its molecular magnetic resonance properties caused by their unique bipolar shape. >> It would be >> arrogant to assume that we have definitely discovered all there is to >> know about it. >We never know everything about anything But we know quite enough about an >awful lot, and perfectly sufficient to say that what you're contemplating is >utter nonsense. A hundred years ago, the idea that a small sliver of silicon inside a USB stick could have a memory capable of storing the entire contents of several bibles and the complete works of Shakespeare would have sounded equally absurd. We are nowhere close to understanding all the possible changes that can occur inside atoms and molecules, and there are an awful lot of molecules inside a small vial of water. Incidentally, you realise that no amount of chemical analysis or optical examination of a flash memory chip would be able to tell the difference between a chip that has no information stored in it and a chip that containes data of the complete human genome? -- Cynic
From: Norman Wells on 1 Jul 2010 10:11
Cynic wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:56:41 +0100, "Norman Wells" > <stibbons(a)unseen.ac.am> wrote: > >>> Without implying that I believe (or disbelieve) that any such >>> "memory" exists, if it *did* exist, what you have stated does not >>> follow. It might be that some event such as an >>> evaporation/condensation cycle resets the memory, and so water only >>> retains the memory of what it has been in contact with since its >>> last vapour phase. Distilled water would thus be a clean slate. > >>> The idea may be implausible, but it is by no means impossible. > >> Yes it is. > > The only things that I would apply such a label to are those things > that involve logical contradictions or defiance or very > well-established laws of nature. Even then I would hedge with a few > caveats. > >>> The >>> idea that invisible energy exuded from a very low power source can >>> be detected in thin air on the opposite side of the planet was also >>> a pretty implausible idea. > >> So is the existence of fairies. And I'm quite prepared to say they >> don't exist either. > > By using the word "either" you are stating that you don't believe in > the existence of radio waves. > >>> It would be >>> arrogant to assume that we have definitely discovered all there is >>> to know about it. > >> We never know everything about anything But we know quite enough >> about an awful lot, and perfectly sufficient to say that what you're >> contemplating is utter nonsense. > > A hundred years ago, the idea that a small sliver of silicon inside a > USB stick could have a memory capable of storing the entire contents > of several bibles and the complete works of Shakespeare would have > sounded equally absurd. We are nowhere close to understanding all the > possible changes that can occur inside atoms and molecules, and there > are an awful lot of molecules inside a small vial of water. > > Incidentally, you realise that no amount of chemical analysis or > optical examination of a flash memory chip would be able to tell the > difference between a chip that has no information stored in it and a > chip that containes data of the complete human genome? You stick if you like with your view that water can have a memory, and that fairies may exist. What do I care if it makes you ridiculous? |