Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem
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From: Ashton Crusher on 19 Feb 2010 00:23 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:56:56 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in >news:dLCdnXPoScvi2-DWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >>> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9(a)s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com >>> : >>> >>>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design. >>> >>> >>> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" >>> are at this point. >> >> That's true of the brake problems. > > > >It's also true of the new PS thing. The NHTSA has said so. > > > >> Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA >> failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to >> a big mess. > > >The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as being >specifically due to a stuck gas pedal. 34 deaths.
From: nm5k on 19 Feb 2010 00:28 On Feb 18, 6:37 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > n...(a)wt.net wrote innews:8830dec9-b969-4360-947d-73506a456668(a)q21g2000yqm..googlegroups.com: > > > Myself, I think most of the > > problem is there is likely too much assist at highway speeds, and > > it needs to be toned down a bit. > > There is NO assist at highway speeds. Assist is NOT NEEDED at highway > speeds. Assist picks up at speeds where you might actually have to crank > the wheel around with some authority, like at 10mph around a left-hand > turn, or when maneuvering into a parking space. As I described.. But how do you know there is actually no assist at highway speeds? Myself, I don't know as I've never driven one of those 09-10 models. I think the issue is real, but I do think many are getting a bit overly lathered up about it. It's not anything that is really dangerous. Course, it could be something else that is causing the problem, like pulsing, etc.. But being I've never driven one, I couldn't really say. But I know I've seen a lot of people complain about the feel of them, where on the other hand, many other models in the past that used electric assist didn't seem to garner the same complaints. This leads me to think they programmed something a bit different if they are using basically the same electric type system. I've heard of a few that went so far as to trade the car in as they couldn't stand the feel of it when tracking a straight line on the highway. But.. Some with those years don't notice any problem.. Go figure.. :/
From: Tegger on 19 Feb 2010 08:49 nm5k(a)wt.net wrote in news:1a878bf3-42ee-4b22-8b08-d7ae79a50a55(a)z19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com: > On Feb 18, 6:37�pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >> n...(a)wt.net wrote >> innews:8830dec9-b969-4360-947d-73506a456668(a)q21g2000yqm > .googlegroups.com: >> >> > Myself, I think most of the >> > problem is there is likely too much assist at highway speeds, and >> > it needs to be toned down a bit. >> >> There is NO assist at highway speeds. Assist is NOT NEEDED at highway >> speeds. Assist picks up at speeds where you might actually have to >> crank the wheel around with some authority, like at 10mph around a >> left-hand turn, or when maneuvering into a parking space. > > As I described.. But how do you know there is actually no assist > at highway speeds? Myself, I don't know as I've never driven one of > those 09-10 models. Variable boost has been around since at least 1990, and EPS since about then as well. It's old technology at this point. Variable boost was introduced in order to improve the "feel" of power steering at speed. Old-style non-variable power steering can feel "floaty" and touchy at highway speeds. If the boost in this case is not precisely zero at highway speeds, it's awfully close to that. How far and fast do you ever need to turn the steering wheel at 40+ mph? You'd roll the car. I have a strong suspicion that, were it not for the other problems besetting Toyota right now, the EPS thing would be a "nothing" issue. -- Tegger
From: Tegger on 19 Feb 2010 09:38 Ashton Crusher <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in news:i18sn5t528ekjj8sfhec66no9ovvk22h23(a)4ax.com: > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:56:56 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> > wrote: > >> >> >>The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as >>being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal. > > > 34 deaths. > Can you tell me where that number comes from? I'd like to see the source(s) behind it. -- Tegger
From: jim beam on 19 Feb 2010 10:32
On 02/19/2010 05:49 AM, Tegger wrote: > nm5k(a)wt.net wrote in > news:1a878bf3-42ee-4b22-8b08-d7ae79a50a55(a)z19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com: > >> On Feb 18, 6:37�pm, Tegger<inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >>> n...(a)wt.net wrote >>> innews:8830dec9-b969-4360-947d-73506a456668(a)q21g2000yqm >> .googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> Myself, I think most of the >>>> problem is there is likely too much assist at highway speeds, and >>>> it needs to be toned down a bit. >>> >>> There is NO assist at highway speeds. Assist is NOT NEEDED at highway >>> speeds. Assist picks up at speeds where you might actually have to >>> crank the wheel around with some authority, like at 10mph around a >>> left-hand turn, or when maneuvering into a parking space. >> >> As I described.. But how do you know there is actually no assist >> at highway speeds? Myself, I don't know as I've never driven one of >> those 09-10 models. > > > > Variable boost has been around since at least 1990, and EPS since about > then as well. It's old technology at this point. > > Variable boost was introduced in order to improve the "feel" of power > steering at speed. Old-style non-variable power steering can feel "floaty" > and touchy at highway speeds. > > If the boost in this case is not precisely zero at highway speeds, it's > awfully close to that. How far and fast do you ever need to turn the > steering wheel at 40+ mph? You'd roll the car. > > I have a strong suspicion that, were it not for the other problems > besetting Toyota right now, the EPS thing would be a "nothing" issue. > i've driven this eps, and it's a TOTAL non-issue. in fact, i think it's a great system - i've considered a retrofit to my civic because i like it so much. as for complaints, it's like the person that posted on a.a.honda a while back complaining that when they were braking, the car wouldn't turn - some people just don't understand basic physics and they didn't realize that tire friction used in braking wasn't available for changing direction. and that the problem gets worse when the road is wet, muddy, icy, etc. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |