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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 19 Feb 2010 19:21 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:02:31 -0500, C. E. White wrote: > > IF you beleive the news media it is based on the latest total as reported > to NHTSA. And it appears to include all UA complaints, not necessarily > ones related to the stuck gas pedals. 13 of the claims are very recent > (and therefore somewhat open to question). 21 are earlier. > > See > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/15/national/main6210052.shtml > > (AP) The government has received new complaints that bring to 34 the > total number of alleged deaths in Toyota vehicles due to sudden > acceleration since 2000, according to government data posted Monday. How do you prove a stuck accelerator caused it? I think they're just attributing it to a SA without really knowing.
From: Tegger on 19 Feb 2010 19:51 =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in news:hln9u5$oj8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:02:31 -0500, C. E. White wrote: > >> >> IF you beleive the news media it is based on the latest total as >> reported to NHTSA. And it appears to include all UA complaints, not >> necessarily ones related to the stuck gas pedals. 13 of the claims >> are very recent (and therefore somewhat open to question). 21 are >> earlier. >> >> See >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/15/national/main6210052.shtml >> >> (AP) The government has received new complaints that bring to 34 the >> total number of alleged deaths in Toyota vehicles due to sudden >> acceleration since 2000, according to government data posted Monday. > > > How do you prove a stuck accelerator caused it? Nobody has. Yet. And some of those "alleged" SUA incidents involved cars that didn't even have electronic gas pedals. Remember that SUA incidents are spread across just about all automakers, and always have been. I read a lot, and have a pretty good memory for certain things. Memories of the mid-'80s Audi 5000 fiasco are still fairly bright in my mind, which is partially why I am /extremely/ suspicious of the doom-and-gloom of the conspiracy and tort crowds this time around. > > I think they're just attributing it to a SA without really knowing. > Not quite. Nobody's "attributing" anything, they're just "alleging". I see the AP lawyers' fingerprints all over this article, in the variants of the word "allege" plastered everywhere; they don't want to get pinned down in court over this issue. -- Tegger
From: jim beam on 19 Feb 2010 20:29 On 02/19/2010 04:51 PM, Tegger wrote: > =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> > wrote in news:hln9u5$oj8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:02:31 -0500, C. E. White wrote: >> >>> >>> IF you beleive the news media it is based on the latest total as >>> reported to NHTSA. And it appears to include all UA complaints, not >>> necessarily ones related to the stuck gas pedals. 13 of the claims >>> are very recent (and therefore somewhat open to question). 21 are >>> earlier. >>> >>> See >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/15/national/main6210052.shtml >>> >>> (AP) The government has received new complaints that bring to 34 the >>> total number of alleged deaths in Toyota vehicles due to sudden >>> acceleration since 2000, according to government data posted Monday. >> >> >> How do you prove a stuck accelerator caused it? > > > > Nobody has. Yet. And some of those "alleged" SUA incidents involved cars > that didn't even have electronic gas pedals. > > Remember that SUA incidents are spread across just about all automakers, > and always have been. > > I read a lot, and have a pretty good memory for certain things. Memories of > the mid-'80s Audi 5000 fiasco are still fairly bright in my mind, which is > partially why I am /extremely/ suspicious of the doom-and-gloom of the > conspiracy and tort crowds this time around. > > > >> >> I think they're just attributing it to a SA without really knowing. >> > > > > Not quite. Nobody's "attributing" anything, they're just "alleging". > > I see the AP lawyers' fingerprints all over this article, in the variants > of the word "allege" plastered everywhere; they don't want to get pinned > down in court over this issue. > > yes indeed. because they know it's bullshit. why exactly the press would want to get their trotters in the trough on this one though is something i haven't figured out - the political agenda is ridiculous. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Tegger on 19 Feb 2010 21:15 jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in news:feKdnQj3EumcpuLWnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net: > > why exactly the press would want to get their trotters in the trough > on this one though is something i haven't figured out - the political > agenda is ridiculous. > Organized labor gave $21 million to the Democrats over the last election cycle, which was 91% of their total PAC contributions. Automakers contributed about $1 million, split evenly between Blue & Red. The press is unionized. Toyota has no union plants, now that they've closed NUMMI. Obama and the Democrats are union stooges, in a very open and public manner. Add all that together, and you've got at least a big part of the current mess exposed. -- Tegger
From: ChrisCoaster on 20 Feb 2010 07:25
On Feb 20, 2:34 am, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > > - Show quoted text - __________________________ Notice Hachiroku how I have not mentioned the name "TOYOTA" until now? That's because I'm probably the only one on this thread who has the sense to trash what really needs trashing - this FRICKIN' ELECTRIC POWER STEERING! Let's focus on the root of Toyota's - and every other mfgs - problem - a technology that hasn't been fully developed before implementing in any country's car. -CC |