Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem
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From: ChrisCoaster on 20 Feb 2010 20:54 On Feb 20, 8:17 pm, jim beam <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: Power steering - whole > > 'nother ballgame. > > > -CC > > so take the bus! oh, wait, that thing has a pump assist on the steering > too... > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - _________________________ I never said rule out power steering completely. Just build a hydraulic system that #1. facilitates parking, #2. tapers off gradually up until 20 - 30mph(depending upon size/weight of vehicle), until #3. it shuts down completely. We con concoct all manner of reasons to invade country x, y, or z, but we can't achieve the above, economically? Something's WRONG with that picture. -CC
From: Bob Cooper on 20 Feb 2010 21:04 In article <e63fd4fe-bc5b-46c8-b00e-d707e93e08e5 @i39g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, ckozicki(a)snet.net says... > > On Feb 20, 8:17�pm, jim beam <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > �Power steering - whole > > > 'nother ballgame. > > > > > -CC > > > > so take the bus! �oh, wait, that thing has a pump assist on the steering > > too... > > > > -- > > nomina rutrum rutrum- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > _________________________ > I never said rule out power steering completely. Just build a > hydraulic system that #1. facilitates parking, #2. tapers off > gradually up until 20 - 30mph(depending upon size/weight of vehicle), > until #3. it shuts down completely. > > We con concoct all manner of reasons to invade country x, y, or z, but > we can't achieve the above, economically? Something's WRONG with that > picture. > > -CC EPS is purely about saving money and increasing MPG. This may interest you. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/whos-afraid-of-electric-power-steering/
From: Jeff Strickland on 20 Feb 2010 21:08 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:87qdnQJO1OSbFB3WnZ2dnUVZ_gpi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 02/20/2010 05:06 PM, ChrisCoaster wrote: >> On Feb 20, 5:46 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B<Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:25:54 -0800, ChrisCoaster wrote: >>>> On Feb 20, 2:34 am, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B<Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >>> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> __________________________ >>> >>>> Notice Hachiroku how I have not mentioned the name "TOYOTA" until now? >>>> That's because I'm probably the only one on this thread who has the >>>> sense >>>> to trash what really needs trashing - this FRICKIN' ELECTRIC POWER >>>> STEERING! Let's focus on the root of Toyota's - and every other mfgs - >>>> problem - a technology that hasn't been fully developed before >>>> implementing in any country's car. >>> >>>> -CC >>> >>> ROFL...Yup, you didn't did you? >>> >>> With all the guff Toyota is taking, all of a sudden "I don't like this >>> about my Toyota" or "I don't like that about my Toyota." Fine! Put it up >>> for sale! They're bargains right now. I'll take it, get it fixed, and >>> have >>> a decent car! >>> >>> What car were you talking about, BTW? >> __________________________ >> I experienced electric PS on a 2005 Chevy Malibu, and you can read my >> description of it's road feel a few posts back. I'll say it again: >> while the media has Toyota in firing range, I'm targeting what really >> needs to be looked at: this electric power steering. The problems >> with the Corolla could have happened to ANY MAKE utilizing the >> frickin' thing, GOT IT? Honda, Chevy, Ford, VW, whomever! So it's >> NOT a Toyota problem, it's an unproven technology problem. Get it >> through your thick skulls - ALL of you. >> >> -CC > > pumps are unproven??? dude, get real. > Electric Power Assisted Steering does not use a pump. But thanks for playing. To be sure, there are, or have been, hydraulic steering systems that had the hydraulic pressure supplied by an electric motor, but the electric steering they use on the Corolla doesn't have this kind of system. I'd not go so far as to say what they are using is an unproven technology, it's been around in one or more of it's various forms since about 1965. The current implementation used by Toyota looks like the Acura NSX of the early '90s, and the BMW system of the early 2000s. . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_steering
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 20 Feb 2010 21:36 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:06:49 -0800, ChrisCoaster wrote: > On Feb 20, 5:46 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:25:54 -0800, ChrisCoaster wrote: >> > On Feb 20, 2:34 am, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > __________________________ >> >> > Notice Hachiroku how I have not mentioned the name "TOYOTA" until now? >> > That's because I'm probably the only one on this thread who has the >> > sense to trash what really needs trashing - this FRICKIN' ELECTRIC >> > POWER STEERING! Let's focus on the root of Toyota's - and every other >> > mfgs - problem - a technology that hasn't been fully developed before >> > implementing in any country's car. >> >> > -CC >> >> ROFL...Yup, you didn't did you? >> >> With all the guff Toyota is taking, all of a sudden "I don't like this >> about my Toyota" or "I don't like that about my Toyota." Fine! Put it up >> for sale! They're bargains right now. I'll take it, get it fixed, and >> have a decent car! >> >> What car were you talking about, BTW? > __________________________ > I experienced electric PS on a 2005 Chevy Malibu, and you can read my > description of it's road feel a few posts back. I'll say it again: while > the media has Toyota in firing range, I'm targeting what really needs to > be looked at: this electric power steering. The problems with the Corolla > could have happened to ANY MAKE utilizing the frickin' thing, GOT IT? > Honda, Chevy, Ford, VW, whomever! So it's NOT a Toyota problem, it's an > unproven technology problem. Get it through your thick skulls - ALL of > you. > > -CC Um yeah, yeah I get it! Yes, it could be a similar feeling on all vehicles that employ it. And not all issues 'reported' by the medi...er, that is, actual Toyota owners my just be their unfamiliarity with their cars. Owner's Manuals are wonderful.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 20 Feb 2010 21:42
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:54:44 -0800, ChrisCoaster wrote: > I never said rule out power steering completely. Just build a hydraulic > system that #1. facilitates parking, #2. tapers off gradually up until 20 > - 30mph(depending upon size/weight of vehicle), until #3. it shuts down > completely. I have that on my Corolla http://www.dragtimes.com/images/5319-1985-Toyota-Corolla.jpg Notice the model year in the URL... |