Are mobility scooters and bicycles worse than Toyotas?
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From: Anthony Cunningham on 7 Apr 2010 06:30 On Apr 7, 7:50 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >what do you think should be done about this threat to life and limb from > mobility scooters? Ban them from pavements: "A 90-year-old woman has died in hospital two days after she was hit by a mobility scooter while on holiday on the Isle of Wight. Lillian Macey, of Harlow, Essex, was hit on the pavement as she walked along High Street, Sandown, on Tuesday. " Same goes for cyclists as they can reach much higher speeds than mobility scooters.
From: Adrian on 7 Apr 2010 06:45 Bod <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> There is a large aggressive man on a large fast scooter in my locality >>> who makes everyone very uneasy as he charges along the pavements. >> To be fair, if by "fast" you mean "more than 4mph", then that's already >> illegal. > Ha! Will this lead to little yellow speed cameras on pavements? I'll give you a straight answer... There are two classes of mobility scooter - one is 4mph max, and permitted on pavements. The other is 8mph max, but with a switch to restrict to 4mph max for pavement use. In 8mph mode, they legally should be used on the road only - and have to be registered with DVLA and display a tax disc. http://www.disabledinfo.co.uk/dis/119-where-can-i-use-my-mobility- scooter.asp So no camera needed - if an 8mph scooter is suspected of travelling too quickly, look at the position of the switch. It's often marked with icons indicating a hare and a tortoise, so fairly bloody obvious if the restrictions have been explained to the user. If the user cares. Even so, a larger person on 50-80kg of scooter - even at 4mph (towards the upper end of comfortable walking speed for me, and I walk fairly fast) - is a fair chunk of momentum.
From: Chris Bartram on 7 Apr 2010 06:54 On 07/04/2010 07:50, Doug wrote: > Given all the excuses here made for Toyota faults and the deaths they > have caused, everywhere else except the UK seemingly, and given that > there is alleged by some to be an arbitrary threshold below which any > ensuring deaths don't matter one jot and neither do the faults, what > do you think should be done about this threat to life and limb from > mobility scooters? There should be a basic competency test for their use.
From: Bod on 7 Apr 2010 06:55 On 07/04/2010 11:45, Adrian wrote: > Bod<bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > >>>> There is a large aggressive man on a large fast scooter in my locality >>>> who makes everyone very uneasy as he charges along the pavements. > >>> To be fair, if by "fast" you mean "more than 4mph", then that's already >>> illegal. > >> Ha! Will this lead to little yellow speed cameras on pavements? > > I'll give you a straight answer... > > There are two classes of mobility scooter - one is 4mph max, and > permitted on pavements. The other is 8mph max, but with a switch to > restrict to 4mph max for pavement use. In 8mph mode, they legally should > be used on the road only - and have to be registered with DVLA and > display a tax disc. > > http://www.disabledinfo.co.uk/dis/119-where-can-i-use-my-mobility- > scooter.asp > > So no camera needed - if an 8mph scooter is suspected of travelling too > quickly, look at the position of the switch. It's often marked with icons > indicating a hare and a tortoise, so fairly bloody obvious if the > restrictions have been explained to the user. If the user cares. > > Even so, a larger person on 50-80kg of scooter - even at 4mph (towards > the upper end of comfortable walking speed for me, and I walk fairly > fast) - is a fair chunk of momentum. > > If the limiter/governor is removed, I wonder how fast a speed could be coaxed out of a mob/scooter? Or is it down to changing the gearing etc? Anyone know? Bod
From: Conor on 7 Apr 2010 06:57
On 07/04/2010 07:50, Doug wrote: > Given all the excuses here made for Toyota faults and the deaths they > have caused, everywhere else except the UK seemingly, and given that > there is alleged by some to be an arbitrary threshold below which any > ensuring deaths don't matter one jot and neither do the faults, what > do you think should be done about this threat to life and limb from > mobility scooters? Only one death and one injury so far? Oh hang on > though, it has not been fully investigated yet here, much like the > Toyota faults and their consequences. > > "Action urged by MPs on mobility scooters > Doug is now going after disabled people. You should be careful Doug. You'll be needing one of those one of these days.. -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally. |