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From: Brimstone on 9 Apr 2010 03:58 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:2a9e2112-5871-4268-9d93-71552d1a9235(a)v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com... > On 9 Apr, 08:41, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >> saying: >> >> >> How does turning the ignition off not stop the engine? >> > Either it is bypassed by the computer or hot particles in the >> > combustion >> > chamber ignite the fuel. >> >> Bless. >> > So its something else you have never experienced? > You don't know how modern engines work do you Doug? Unless there is a faulty injector, "dieseling" is a thing of the past, ever since petrol engines changed to fuel injection some twenty years ago. But never mind, you carry on dreaming of your clapped out old Land-Rover that only managed 10 mpg.
From: Mrcheerful on 9 Apr 2010 05:06 Doug wrote .. Also another driver who seemed >>>> to be unable to comprehend "switching the ignition off" or >>>> "putting it in neutral". >> >>> If you knew anything at all about the subject you would know that >>> doesn't always work. >> >> How does turning the ignition off not stop the engine? >> > Either it is bypassed by the computer or hot particles in the > combustion chamber ignite the fuel. In the old days of carburettors it was possible for an engine to continue running at low speed by a process known as self ignition, which is caused by hot particles igniting fuel mixture, which the carburettor could continue to supply indefinitely. But this would be at a low engine speed with little power. Carburettors have not been on any car that I can think of in recent years, the last I can find was in 92, and that was a real dinosaur. On modern vehicles the ignition system will stop supplying sparks when the ignition is turned off, ALSO the injection system stops supplying fuel, so there is nothing to be ignited by hot particles. As vehicles do not have a HAL2000 computer system then I think that can be discounted. So unless there is some massive malfunction of electrics/electronics (which should be reproducible) then the ign. switch will work. A recent case in the states found that the driver had alternately pressed the brake and accellerator more than 250 times in succession, which sounds to me like someone attempting to create a fault in order to have a claim, he had not realised that the onboard computer stores so much information and has gone very quiet about his story that the car raced away and could not be stopped.
From: Adrian on 9 Apr 2010 04:20 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> >> How does turning the ignition off not stop the engine? >>> > Either it is bypassed by the computer or hot particles in the >>> > combustion chamber ignite the fuel. >>> Bless. >> So its something else you have never experienced? > You don't know how modern engines work do you Doug? > > Unless there is a faulty injector, "dieseling" is a thing of the past, > ever since petrol engines changed to fuel injection some twenty years > ago. Not even then. Years before that. Ever since stop solenoids started to be fitted to carbs.
From: Brimstone on 9 Apr 2010 05:10 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:8286b7FbunU2(a)mid.individual.net... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: > >>>> >> How does turning the ignition off not stop the engine? > >>>> > Either it is bypassed by the computer or hot particles in the >>>> > combustion chamber ignite the fuel. > >>>> Bless. > >>> So its something else you have never experienced? > >> You don't know how modern engines work do you Doug? >> >> Unless there is a faulty injector, "dieseling" is a thing of the past, >> ever since petrol engines changed to fuel injection some twenty years >> ago. > > Not even then. Years before that. Ever since stop solenoids started to be > fitted to carbs. I was trying to be kind(ish).
From: Tony Dragon on 9 Apr 2010 11:39
Doug wrote: > On 8 Apr, 11:13, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:94f109ee-05a6-4793-ab5d-241294def3c0(a)o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >>> On 8 Apr, 11:06, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >>>> saying: >>>>>>> Note this only applies to unintended acceleration and not additional >>>>>>> brake or computer faults. >>>>>> 43 incidents. >>>>>> Across a decade. >>>>>> Yet, bizarrely, only 11 of those were reported in the 9.5yrs before >>>>>> the >>>>>> publicity started and there was the possibility of not only passing >>>>>> the >>>>>> buck but getting in on a nice lucrative lawsuit. >>>>> I think you will find that Toyota hushed them up for years and... >>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252454/I-left-coma-90mph- >>>> Toyota-crash-TWO-YEARS-safety-recall.html >>>>> "I was left in a coma by 90mph Toyota crash TWO YEARS before safety >>>>> recall" >>>> You do like the Daily Mailodrama as a source, don't you? >>>> Oh, look - a car with an old-style cable throttle. No electronics in the >>>> throttle mechanism at all. Also another driver who seemed to be unable to >>>> comprehend "switching the ignition off" or "putting it in neutral". >>> If you knew anything at all about the subject you would know that >>> doesn't always work. >> How does turning the ignition off not stop the engine? >> > Either it is bypassed by the computer or hot particles in the > combustion chamber ignite the fuel. >>>>>>> for anyone who is remotely interested, which rules out a lot of >>>>>>> motorists of course, who have their own all too obvious agenda. >>>>>> Strange how you, apparently, don't have any kind of "agenda". >>>>> My agenda here is public safety. >>>> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! >>> Is that the best you can do, just laugh at the deaths? >> It's not the deaths that people laugh at Doug, it's your perpetual hysterics >> and hyperbole. >> > Its still laughing as a substitute for addressing a serious subject. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns > www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. So a modern car engine is something else you don't understand. -- Tony Dragon |