Bodywork repairs following accident - paint match
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From: steve robinson on 3 Jul 2010 10:42 Ian wrote: > > "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in message > news:xn0gw704844rtf002(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > Rob wrote: > > > > > On 03/07/2010 10:08, steve robinson wrote: > >>> BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > >>>>On Jul 2, 3:57 pm, Jethro<krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >>> > > On 2 July, 15:36, "BertieBigBol...(a)gmail.com" > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>><bertiebigbol...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>On Jul 2, 3:19 pm, Jethro<krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > > On 30 June, 11:32, "BertieBigBol...(a)gmail.com" > >>> > > > >>>>>>><bertiebigbol...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > > > > > Got a classic 1987 mini cooper in mint condition. > Well, >>> > > > > > it was until someone ran into the back of it in > a car >>> > > > > > park when it was parked. > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > Anyway, off it went to the bodyshop recommended by the > >>> > > > > > insurer. Got it back yesterday. > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > Very poor paint job. Its now blatantly obvious that > the >>> > > > > > back has been resprayed but not the whole car. > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > Spoke to my insurance company who said that they could > >>> > > > > > not expect the 3rd partys insurer to pay for a > complete >>> > > > > > respray and that this was sometimes the > problem with >>> > > > > > older cars. > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > Seems a bit unfair. So now I've got a car with not > >>> > > > > > matching paintwork due to an accident that blatantly > >>> > > > > > wasnt my fault. > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > Surely, this is not right. Shouldnt the 3rd party or > >>> > > > > > their insurer be liable to restore the car to its > >>> > > > > > original condition regardless of whether it requires a > >>> > > > > > complete respray? > >>> > > > >>> > > > > I haven't read every reply in this thread, but ISTR you > >>> > > > > are required to sign an acceptance note, before you can > >>> > > > > drive the car away from the repairers. > >>> > > > >>> > > > > If the repair is unacceptable, why didn't you refuse to > >>> > > > > sign it ?- Hide quoted text - > >>> > > > >>> > > > > - Show quoted text - > >>> > > > >>> > > > Wife did :-(- Hide quoted text - > >>> > > > >>> > > > - Show quoted text - > >>> > > > >>> > > So I presume the car is still at the garage ? If that's the > >>> > > case, what does the garage say about it ? They should be > >>> > > putting pressure on the insurance co. too .... > >>> > > >>> > No. Got the car. Went back yesterday and they admitted it > > > looked >>> > like the back had been reprayed and that it stood > out. They're >>> > excuse was insurance refused to pay for anything > other than > > area >>> > damaged. > > > > > >>> Thats a fair argument , the garage is not a charity if the > >>> insurance company say spray the back section only thats all the > >>> garage will do > > > > > > I don't follow any of this. A competent car body repairer would > > > try to match existing, and advise if this was an issue before > > > work started. Even halfords offer a colour matching service, and > > > therefore understand that colours fade. > > > > They may well have advised the insurance company of such an issue > > we dont know > > > > Halfords colour matching service doesnt garentee a match , only a > > near match and thats all a garage could be expected to do given > > the price they are chargeing . > > > > If you want an exact match you need to take the vehicle to a > > specialist restorer and be prepared to pay large sums . > > > > > > > > > > > > On hindsight, the OP probably wishes he'd asked if the resprayed > > > area would match existing. A question that shouldn't need > > > asking IMO. > > > > > > I'd agree that it appears this garage is not a charity. It also > > > appears not competent. it was asked to do a job. It either > > > couldn't or wouldn't. I'd take legal action or drop it, and put > > > it down to a bad experience. > > > > > > > The garage has matched the paint to the original vehicle paint > > code thats all the insurance companies will pay for , they wont > > pay for bespoke matching services . > > > > Another problem is paints now are acrylic , its possible the op > > car was cellulose , its near impossible to get accurate matching > > in these circumstances > > > > The only option is a complete respray which adds a value the op > > shouldnt expect the insurance company to pay for this > > Ummmm.... surely if it was a classic car, original paintwork in > good condition, then a complete (indeed, any) respray would detract > from the cars value, not add to it? The end result is *not > original*.... Valid point
From: Jerry on 3 Jul 2010 11:12 "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote in message news:xn0gw76mvczo60000(a)news.eternal-september.org... : Ian wrote: : <snip> : > : > Ummmm.... surely if it was a classic car, original paintwork in : > good condition, then a complete (indeed, any) respray would detract : > from the cars value, not add to it? The end result is *not : > original*.... : : : Valid point More like an invalid point, just taking the car out on the road detracts from the cars value, want a museum piece, then place it into your garage and install a picture window in place of the 'up and over' door!... -- Regards, Jerry.
From: stephen.hull on 3 Jul 2010 12:53 In message <xn0gw6y0l18hpf002(a)news.eternal-september.org> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Jul 2, 6:26�pm, stephen.h...(a)btinternet.com wrote: >> > In message <0q4s26pb5li957icof0csd430vvk62a...(a)4ax.com> >> > � � � � � Cynic <cynic_...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> > >> > I have matched an old 1926 Rolls Royce standard paint finish and >> > intend this month to match a 1980's coach paint finish that has >> > faded considerably, I don't want to paint the whole vehicle just >> > for one small repair area but I will be able to match the colour, >> > finish, texture and obtain a similar shine, it just takes a little >> > time but can be done. >> > >> > Stephen. >> > >> > --http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk >> > Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes >> > "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce >> >> So polishing / tcutting whatever might sort it out? > >you also have the problem that the matched paint will fade too in a >few years leaving your car looking two tone again Sorry but it won't, we are talking about a modern twin-pack paint finish that does not fade in the same way as a conventional single component paint finish does, the lacquer protects the paint from fading, you might get slight age fading but it would not be noticeable. However early metallic cellulose systems did fade but this colour formulation is a factory standard ARG twin-pack. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
From: stephen.hull on 3 Jul 2010 12:44 In message <ca5f5e95-7f0e-4af8-934a-ef5fdf653944(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> "BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com" <bertiebigbollox(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 2, 6:26�pm, stephen.h...(a)btinternet.com wrote: >> In message <0q4s26pb5li957icof0csd430vvk62a...(a)4ax.com> >> � � � � � Cynic <cynic_...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:31:55 +0100, stephen.h...(a)btinternet.com >> >wrote: >> >> I admit there can be difficult colours even on old vehicles but >> they normally can always be matched. >> >> I have matched an old 1926 Rolls Royce standard paint finish and >> intend this month to match a 1980's coach paint finish that has >> faded considerably, I don't want to paint the whole vehicle just >> for one small repair area but I will be able to match the colour, >> finish, texture and obtain a similar shine, it just takes a little >> time but can be done. >> >So polishing / tcutting whatever might sort it out? No this will only enhance the shine, you cannot blend-in or polish-in a metallic finish, the colour matching is done in the basecote not the lacquer, this is were the skill comes in. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
From: stephen.hull on 3 Jul 2010 12:10
In message <xn0gw6xvq11f2n001(a)news.eternal-september.org> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Jul 2, 3:57�pm, Jethro <krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> > On 2 July, 15:36, "BertieBigBol...(a)gmail.com" >> > >> > >> > >> > <bertiebigbol...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> No. Got the car. Went back yesterday and they admitted it >> looked like the back had been reprayed and that it stood out. >> They're excuse was insurance refused to pay for anything other >> than area damaged. > >Thats a fair argument , the garage is not a charity if the >insurance company say spray the back section only thats all the >garage will do That is correct only the garage should be competent enough to accommodate the spraying over adjacent panels to achieve a satisfactory match, which is exactly how it is done in the vehicle repair business. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce |