Bodywork repairs following accident - paint match
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From: steve robinson on 3 Jul 2010 13:45 stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote: > In message <xn0gw704844rtf002(a)news.eternal-september.org> > "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: > > > Rob wrote: > > > >> On 03/07/2010 10:08, steve robinson wrote: > >> > BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> > > > > > If you want an exact match you need to take the vehicle to a > > specialist restorer and be prepared to pay large sums . > > > No that is not necessary, the vehicle does not have a 1920's paint > job it is a 1987 paint job which is still classed as a modern day > paint finish and easy to match irrespective of whether it was > sprayed in acrylic, cellulose or twin-pack. I wouldnt class that as a modern paint finish > > >> On hindsight, the OP probably wishes he'd asked if the resprayed > >> area would match existing. A question that shouldn't need asking > >> IMO. > > > > >> I'd agree that it appears this garage is not a charity. It also > >> appears not competent. it was asked to do a job. It either > couldn't >> or wouldn't. I'd take legal action or drop it, and put > it down to a >> bad experience. > > > > > > > The garage has matched the paint to the original vehicle paint > > code thats all the insurance companies will pay for , they wont > > pay for bespoke matching services . > > > > Another problem is paints now are acrylic , its possible the op > > car was cellulose , its near impossible to get accurate matching > > in these circumstances > > The vehicle paint code for this particular colour Gunmetal silver > relates to a twin-pack system and because it is classed as a > modern metallic colour it would be very easy to obtain the correct > match because there is only ONE paint shade for that colour, no > variants to make things more complicated, the paint mixing > formulae and paints are still available. But the correct match will be fresh paint as apposed to well faded 26 year old paint Any attempt to fade that paint artifically will cause colour issues further down the line , the garage cant win > > > The only option is a complete respray which adds a value the op > > shouldnt expect the insurance company to pay for this > > I have never know any competent paint sprayer to have to initiate > a full respray just to match the colour unless the colour was > unknown. You can still match colours from the thirties onwards as > these were mostly sprayed, it is the older coach painted finishes > that prove difficult to match, but even there you can in some > cases match severely faded paint finishes. > > >> I'm surprised that so may here appear to think the garage acted > >> properly. > > > > >> Rob > > > Stephen.
From: steve robinson on 3 Jul 2010 13:50 stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote: > In message <xn0gw6y0l18hpf002(a)news.eternal-september.org> > "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: > > > BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > >> On Jul 2, 6:26�pm, stephen.h...(a)btinternet.com wrote: > >> > In message <0q4s26pb5li957icof0csd430vvk62a...(a)4ax.com> > >> > � � � � � Cynic <cynic_...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> > > > >> > I have matched an old 1926 Rolls Royce standard paint finish > and >> > intend this month to match a 1980's coach paint finish > that has >> > faded considerably, I don't want to paint the whole > vehicle just >> > for one small repair area but I will be able to > match the colour, >> > finish, texture and obtain a similar shine, > it just takes a little >> > time but can be done. > >> > > >> > Stephen. > >> > > >> > --http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk > >> > Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes > >> > "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry > Royce > > > > >> So polishing / tcutting whatever might sort it out? > > > > you also have the problem that the matched paint will fade too in > > a few years leaving your car looking two tone again > > Sorry but it won't, we are talking about a modern twin-pack paint > finish that does not fade in the same way as a conventional > single component paint finish does, the lacquer protects the paint > from fading, you might get slight age fading but it would not be > noticeable. > > However early metallic cellulose systems did fade but this colour > formulation is a factory standard ARG twin-pack. > > Stephen. All paint ages and fades , take a look at a 3 year old sign written van when the graphics are removed you can clearly identify the markings
From: David Billington on 3 Jul 2010 14:25 steve robinson wrote: > stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote: > > >> In message <xn0gw6y0l18hpf002(a)news.eternal-september.org> >> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >>> BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 2, 6:26 pm, stephen.h...(a)btinternet.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> In message <0q4s26pb5li957icof0csd430vvk62a...(a)4ax.com> >>>>> Cynic <cynic_...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have matched an old 1926 Rolls Royce standard paint finish >>>>> >> and >> > intend this month to match a 1980's coach paint finish >> that has >> > faded considerably, I don't want to paint the whole >> vehicle just >> > for one small repair area but I will be able to >> match the colour, >> > finish, texture and obtain a similar shine, >> it just takes a little >> > time but can be done. >> >>>>> Stephen. >>>>> >>>>> --http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk >>>>> Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes >>>>> "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry >>>>> >> Royce >> >>>> So polishing / tcutting whatever might sort it out? >>>> >>> you also have the problem that the matched paint will fade too in >>> a few years leaving your car looking two tone again >>> >> Sorry but it won't, we are talking about a modern twin-pack paint >> finish that does not fade in the same way as a conventional >> single component paint finish does, the lacquer protects the paint >> from fading, you might get slight age fading but it would not be >> noticeable. >> >> However early metallic cellulose systems did fade but this colour >> formulation is a factory standard ARG twin-pack. >> >> Stephen. >> > > All paint ages and fades , take a look at a 3 year old sign written > van when the graphics are removed you can clearly identify the > markings > How much of that is traffic film?. I noticed that the paint I sprayed my frogeye in darkened over time, it was Lancia Corsica Red cellulose back in about 1985. Polishing a spot showed that the polished area was noticeably less dark than the weathered paint, is that normal or just general road filth build up.
From: Rob on 3 Jul 2010 14:25 On 03/07/2010 11:34, steve robinson wrote: > Rob wrote: > >> I don't follow any of this. A competent car body repairer would try >> to match existing, and advise if this was an issue before work >> started. Even halfords offer a colour matching service, and >> therefore understand that colours fade. > > They may well have advised the insurance company of such an issue we > dont know > Advised the insurance company that a decent match was unlikely, then proceed without asking the car owner? Shambles. > Halfords colour matching service doesnt garentee a match , only a > near match and thats all a garage could be expected to do given the > price they are chargeing . > > If you want an exact match you need to take the vehicle to a > specialist restorer and be prepared to pay large sums . > We're not talking 'exact'. The OP said: "Very poor paint job. Its now blatantly obvious that the back has been resprayed but not the whole car" >> On hindsight, the OP probably wishes he'd asked if the resprayed >> area would match existing. A question that shouldn't need asking >> IMO. >> >> I'd agree that it appears this garage is not a charity. It also >> appears not competent. it was asked to do a job. It either couldn't >> or wouldn't. I'd take legal action or drop it, and put it down to a >> bad experience. >> > > The garage has matched the paint to the original vehicle paint code > thats all the insurance companies will pay for , they wont pay for > bespoke matching services . > OK, I accept what you're saying - I didn't know that's the way it worked. I would have hoped the spray shop would have advised they were about to make a complete hash of the job because, erm, 'them's the rules' and presumably backed up in small print. Cautionary tale, therefore. Rob
From: steve robinson on 3 Jul 2010 15:02
David Billington wrote: > steve robinson wrote: > > stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com wrote: > > > > > > > In message <xn0gw6y0l18hpf002(a)news.eternal-september.org> > >> "steve robinson" <steve(a)colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > BertieBigBollox(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > On Jul 2, 6:26 pm, stephen.h...(a)btinternet.com wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > In message <0q4s26pb5li957icof0csd430vvk62a...(a)4ax.com> > >>>>> Cynic <cynic_...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>> I have matched an old 1926 Rolls Royce standard > paint finish >>>>> > >>and >> > intend this month to match a 1980's coach paint finish > >>that has >> > faded considerably, I don't want to paint the whole > >>vehicle just >> > for one small repair area but I will be able to > >>match the colour, >> > finish, texture and obtain a similar shine, > >>it just takes a little >> > time but can be done. > >> > > > > > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > --http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk > > > > > > Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour > > > > > > codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is > > > > > > noble". Henry > >>>>> > > > Royce > >> > > > > > So polishing / tcutting whatever might sort it out? > >>>> > > > > you also have the problem that the matched paint will fade > > > > too in a few years leaving your car looking two tone again > >>> > > > Sorry but it won't, we are talking about a modern twin-pack > > > paint finish that does not fade in the same way as a > > > conventional single component paint finish does, the lacquer > > > protects the paint from fading, you might get slight age fading > > > but it would not be noticeable. > > > > > > However early metallic cellulose systems did fade but this > > > colour formulation is a factory standard ARG twin-pack. > > > > > > Stephen. > >> > > > > All paint ages and fades , take a look at a 3 year old sign > > written van when the graphics are removed you can clearly > > identify the markings > > > How much of that is traffic film?. I noticed that the paint I > sprayed my frogeye in darkened over time, it was Lancia Corsica Red > cellulose back in about 1985. Polishing a spot showed that the > polished area was noticeably less dark than the weathered paint, > is that normal or just general road filth build up. Thats normal |