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From: JNugent on 3 Dec 2009 12:32 Adrian wrote: > JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com>: >> Since then, they have started using the term "car tax" instead. > Which was something else entirely - a 10% (IIRC) duty on new cars, > abolished in the early '80s. True. But the DVLA now call road tax "car tax" on their website. PS: the part-replacement for Purchase Tax on cars (which worked in tandem with VAT from 1973 to about 1995) was strictly called *Special* Car Tax. Its rate varied. It was more than 10% originally, and was eventually whittled away to NIL over a few years by the Major government.
From: Peter Grange on 3 Dec 2009 13:02 On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:47:24 -0800 (PST), paul george <paulgrg1(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >On 3 Dec, 13:32, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >> The whole point of my pedantry on this was because the "Cyclists don't >> pay VED" (and "VED" has only recently replaced the more emotive "road >> tax" in this thread) statement is inferring, and I am quite sure the >> Medway Handyman believes it, that cyclists are a separate race >> inferior to motorists and have no, or much less, right to be on the >> road because the government chooses not to levy the same tax on a >> cycle as it does on the majority of motor vehicles. > >I don't agree that it is because cycles are not subject to VED. >That is just a convenient stick with which to beat cyclists. >If cyclists were licenced, taxed, insured, MOT'd and plated >bigots like Medway would just find another stick. I suspect you are right, but let's try to deal with the stick we can see... -- Pete
From: The Medway Handyman on 3 Dec 2009 13:09 soup wrote: > The Medway Handyman wrote: > >> Because we all pay tax, but motorists pay an extra tax to use the >> roads. > > You pay an extra 'tax' to use your vehicle on the road > YOU DO NOT PAY TO USE THE ROAD. "Every vehicle registered in the United Kingdom (UK) must be taxed if used or kept on a public road". http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10021514 You cannot use a vehicle on the road wothout a tax disc, therefore you pay to use the road. What part don't you understand. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
From: The Medway Handyman on 3 Dec 2009 13:11 dan(a)telent.net wrote: > Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> I sometimes wear a hat. Am I a hat-wearer? <checks reflection> No, I >> am not. Does whether I wear a hat or not affect whether I pay VED? >> No, it does not. > > And again, I sometimes drive a car. At present, I am not driving a > car. Last time I paid VED I was not driving a car. It seems that > paying VED and driving cars are no more closely linked than paying VED > and wearing hats. FFS. If you want to drive a car on the road you have to have a tax disc - simple. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
From: The Medway Handyman on 3 Dec 2009 13:16
Peter Grange wrote: >> > The whole point of my pedantry on this was because the "Cyclists don't > pay VED" (and "VED" has only recently replaced the more emotive "road > tax" in this thread) statement is inferring, and I am quite sure the > Medway Handyman believes it, that cyclists are a separate race > inferior to motorists and have no, or much less, right to be on the > road because the government chooses not to levy the same tax on a > cycle as it does on the majority of motor vehicles. Now you've got it. > If we can all > agree that being a cyclist and being a motorist are not mutually > exclusive and the cyclist has every right to be on the road this > overlong thread will not have been in vain. (But don't hold your > breath...) Cyclists are a sub species of humanity and have no right to be on the road unless they stick their hands in their pockets. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |