How the US won the war
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From: st3ph3nm on 10 Aug 2010 23:20 On Aug 11, 8:43 am, "Clocky" <notg...(a)happen.com> wrote: > > I've seen a German one where the loss of the war was blamed (if that is the > right word?) on the Russians, those fuckers just didn't give up not to > mention that they had no option but to fight or get shot anyway. > They paid a very high price, as did the Germans and when the > Germans lost it > on the Eastern front (Stalingrad, Kursk) I think a lot of the > commanders > knew this wasn't going to end well for them. > Combined with the allies, Germany got put back in it's place as their > diminished luftwaffe and the pressure on the western front broke it's back. The Soviets definitely were the decisive element in WW2. Just look at the numbers of casualties. German casualties in WW2 were around 5.3 million. Of them, 2.7million died on the Eastern Front. > > Then the US claimed it won the war, the Jews acted like they were the only > ones sent to concentration camps, the Soviets decided to overstay their To be fair, the Jews were the single largest target group. Well more than half the death camp victims were Jewish. Cheers, Steve
From: st3ph3nm on 10 Aug 2010 23:23 On Aug 11, 1:20 pm, st3ph3nm <s...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 11, 8:43 am, "Clocky" <notg...(a)happen.com> wrote: > > > > > I've seen a German one where the loss of the war was blamed (if that is the > > right word?) on the Russians, those fuckers just didn't give up not to > > mention that they had no option but to fight or get shot anyway. > > They paid a very high price, as did the Germans and when the > > Germans lost it > > on the Eastern front (Stalingrad, Kursk) I think a lot of the > > commanders > > knew this wasn't going to end well for them. > > Combined with the allies, Germany got put back in it's place as their > > diminished luftwaffe and the pressure on the western front broke it's back. > > The Soviets definitely were the decisive element in WW2. Just look at > the numbers of casualties. German casualties in WW2 were around 5.3 > million. Of them, 2.7million died on the Eastern Front. > Oh, I just meant to mention, of course, that the US *did* have a big hand in the Eastern Front. When things were looking ugly for the Russians, before their factories east of the Urals were up and pumping, the Lend-Lease equipment shipped in the North Sea convoys kept the Soviet war machine going when perhaps otherwise it might have faultered. So nothing happened in a vaccuum. Keeping it aus.cars, of course, that meant a lot of soviets driving jeeps. :) Cheers, Steve
From: Jordan on 10 Aug 2010 23:35 > I once commented to an American mate about how poor the news is on > commercial TV, he said that compared to the US our news service is > brilliant, according to him over there the news is usually very local > and many national issues are ignored and international issues get almost > no mention at all so its little wonder that very many Americans have > little knowledge of the world outside their immediate area. > > Daryl Americans are by nature isolationists, I see nothing wrong with that. When they get dragged, kicking and screaming into other peoples' messes they often do a very good job of sorting it out indeed. Hadn't you noticed? Jordan
From: Clocky on 11 Aug 2010 01:03 st3ph3nm wrote: > On Aug 11, 8:43 am, "Clocky" <notg...(a)happen.com> wrote: > >> >> I've seen a German one where the loss of the war was blamed (if that >> is the right word?) on the Russians, those fuckers just didn't give >> up not to mention that they had no option but to fight or get shot >> anyway. >> They paid a very high price, as did the Germans and when the >> Germans lost it >> on the Eastern front (Stalingrad, Kursk) I think a lot of the >> commanders >> knew this wasn't going to end well for them. >> Combined with the allies, Germany got put back in it's place as their >> diminished luftwaffe and the pressure on the western front broke >> it's back. > > The Soviets definitely were the decisive element in WW2. Just look at > the numbers of casualties. German casualties in WW2 were around 5.3 > million. Of them, 2.7million died on the Eastern Front. > >> >> Then the US claimed it won the war, the Jews acted like they were >> the only ones sent to concentration camps, the Soviets decided to >> overstay their > > To be fair, the Jews were the single largest target group. Well more > than half the death camp victims were Jewish. > Point is the fact that the Holocaust Memorial in Berlin effectively ignores half the victims.
From: Fraser Johnston on 11 Aug 2010 01:17
"Jordan" <jprincic(a)yooha.com.au> wrote in message news:tUo8o.3238$Yv.2089(a)viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com... > >> I once commented to an American mate about how poor the news is on >> commercial TV, he said that compared to the US our news service is >> brilliant, according to him over there the news is usually very local and >> many national issues are ignored and international issues get almost no >> mention at all so its little wonder that very many Americans have little >> knowledge of the world outside their immediate area. >> >> Daryl > > Americans are by nature isolationists, I see nothing wrong with that. > When they get dragged, kicking and screaming into other peoples' messes they > often do a very good job of sorting it out indeed. Hadn't you noticed? Dragged!!!?!??! Lol. American sees itself as the worlds policeman. Except in Rwanda where they could of stopped a massacre. Fraser |