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From: OG on 23 Sep 2008 11:39 "Mike Barnes" <mikebarnes(a)bluebottle.com> wrote in message news:ooH8oExn7I2IFwNs(a)g52lk5g23lkgk3lk345g.invalid... > In uk.rec.driving, Road_Hog wrote: >> >>"OG" <owen(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote in message >>news:6jpvnhF4gas3U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> >>> "Road_Hog" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:gb898g$83a$1(a)aioe.org... >>>> >>> >>>> PS Get yourself and use a news reader that adds quotes. >>> >>> The problem is with using Outlook Express to respond to a post made >>> using >>> google groups. >>> >>> I have the same problem and use Thunderbird to reply to GG users. (I'm >>> looking at OE quotefix now but I'm not sure I'll stick with it). >> >>Yes, I realise that, but why should OE users change just because >>googlegroups has caused the problem. > > Are you sure that Google Groups *has* caused the problem? Looking at the > above, it seems clear that Thunderbird doesn't have a problem quoting GG > messages. My newsreader doesn't have a problem with quoting GG messages. > The only newsreader that seems to have a problem quoting GG messages is > Outlook Express. If I were a betting man I would bet that GG is > blameless and the fault is with OE. > Given that OE used to be able to reply without problems to GG created messages; it seems to be that GG have made the change that OE doesn't support. Yes, maybe the problem is with OE, but not necessarily
From: Adrian on 23 Sep 2008 12:00 "OG" <owen(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>>> PS Get yourself and use a news reader that adds quotes. >>>> The problem is with using Outlook Express to respond to a post made >>>> using google groups. >>>> >>>> I have the same problem and use Thunderbird to reply to GG users. >>>> (I'm looking at OE quotefix now but I'm not sure I'll stick with it). >>>Yes, I realise that, but why should OE users change just because >>>googlegroups has caused the problem. >> Are you sure that Google Groups *has* caused the problem? Looking at >> the above, it seems clear that Thunderbird doesn't have a problem >> quoting GG messages. My newsreader doesn't have a problem with quoting >> GG messages. The only newsreader that seems to have a problem quoting >> GG messages is Outlook Express. If I were a betting man I would bet >> that GG is blameless and the fault is with OE. > Given that OE used to be able to reply without problems to GG created > messages; it seems to be that GG have made the change that OE doesn't > support. Yes, maybe the problem is with OE, but not necessarily The issue (for once) isn't with OE. Pan is having similar issues with some posts. So that's OE, Tbird & Pan users all finding the same issue - looks like GG have fucked something up. Again.
From: OG on 23 Sep 2008 13:29 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:6jsi45F4r76iU2(a)mid.individual.net... > "OG" <owen(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they > were saying: > >>>>>> PS Get yourself and use a news reader that adds quotes. > >>>>> The problem is with using Outlook Express to respond to a post made >>>>> using google groups. >>>>> >>>>> I have the same problem and use Thunderbird to reply to GG users. >>>>> (I'm looking at OE quotefix now but I'm not sure I'll stick with it). > >>>>Yes, I realise that, but why should OE users change just because >>>>googlegroups has caused the problem. > >>> Are you sure that Google Groups *has* caused the problem? Looking at >>> the above, it seems clear that Thunderbird doesn't have a problem >>> quoting GG messages. My newsreader doesn't have a problem with quoting >>> GG messages. The only newsreader that seems to have a problem quoting >>> GG messages is Outlook Express. If I were a betting man I would bet >>> that GG is blameless and the fault is with OE. > >> Given that OE used to be able to reply without problems to GG created >> messages; it seems to be that GG have made the change that OE doesn't >> support. Yes, maybe the problem is with OE, but not necessarily > > The issue (for once) isn't with OE. Pan is having similar issues with > some posts. > > So that's OE, Tbird & Pan users all finding the same issue - looks like > GG have fucked something up. Again. No problem with Thunderbird, at least, not mine (as I said, it's how I respond to GG posters)
From: Mike Barnes on 23 Sep 2008 14:48 In uk.rec.driving, Adrian wrote: >"OG" <owen(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they >were saying: > >>>>>> PS Get yourself and use a news reader that adds quotes. > >>>>> The problem is with using Outlook Express to respond to a post made >>>>> using google groups. >>>>> >>>>> I have the same problem and use Thunderbird to reply to GG users. >>>>> (I'm looking at OE quotefix now but I'm not sure I'll stick with it). > >>>>Yes, I realise that, but why should OE users change just because >>>>googlegroups has caused the problem. > >>> Are you sure that Google Groups *has* caused the problem? Looking at >>> the above, it seems clear that Thunderbird doesn't have a problem >>> quoting GG messages. My newsreader doesn't have a problem with quoting >>> GG messages. The only newsreader that seems to have a problem quoting >>> GG messages is Outlook Express. If I were a betting man I would bet >>> that GG is blameless and the fault is with OE. > >> Given that OE used to be able to reply without problems to GG created >> messages; it seems to be that GG have made the change that OE doesn't >> support. Yes, maybe the problem is with OE, but not necessarily > >The issue (for once) isn't with OE. Pan is having similar issues with >some posts. > >So that's OE, Tbird & Pan users all finding the same issue - looks like >GG have fucked something up. Again. Not Thunderbird AFAICS. Googling around I came across this, which might be of interest. I obviously can't vouch for its accuracy but it all sounds pretty plausible to me. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.letterman/msg/f4c9533f49fd0b27 <quote> Quoted-Printable is a RFC that defines how to make a quoted-printable message, it defines certain encoding aspects. QP messages have no hard line breaks except at the end of each paragraph. Traditionally, text-only messages have always had hard line breaks at the end of each line, much like a typewriter. But QP messages operate like word processor software, and have soft breaks where the text meet the edge of the screen or window. Quoting becomes an issue because there is no set standard on how to quote a QP message, should the newsreader force hard breaks? at what column? Outlook Express chooses to not quote the QP message as a result. Frankly it's a big bug, but MS seems to be only interested in fixing security issues. So what is one to do? OEquotefix does the trick, but as I mentioned some people don't trust unknown software. Another option is to switch to another reader like Thunderbird, but again some people are too attached to OE for whatever reason. Outlook Express is languishing with no major version updates in 7 years(!!), sure there have been service packs but those were only security updates, and other bugs. The last update came with XP SP3. last April. Microsoft appears to have discontinued development, so there is no chance of a bug fix unless it's security related. Another option is if enough people complain to Google, they might change something, but that's not a certainty either. Another option would be to convince those who use Google Groups to switch to a using a newsreader and use one of the few free newsservers out there, I use http://news.Aioe.org it's pretty reliable, but it has it's quirks, namely the 25 article posting per day limit among other things. </quote> -- Mike Barnes
From: unopened on 24 Sep 2008 04:12
On 23 Sep, 19:48, Mike Barnes <mikebar...(a)bluebottle.com> wrote: > In uk.rec.driving, Adrian wrote: > >"OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they > >were saying: > > Another option would be to convince those who use Google Groups to > switch to a using a newsreader and use one of the few free > newsservers out there, I usehttp://news.Aioe.orgit's pretty > reliable, but it has it's quirks, namely the 25 article posting per > day limit among other things. > Mike, thank-you for a comprehensive and very informative posting. The reason I don't use a newsreader client on my PC is that I have a peripatetic lifestyle and read & post using multiple computers in multiple locations: having a newsreader on a single PC wouldn't cut it for me, I'm afraid. Google Groups is the only semi-decent web-based usenet newsgroup reader around that I have found. (It used to be better in some ways when it was dejanews). I am looking into setting up a home server to deal with the issues involved with trying to run three different email accounts with different providers. I may try "PHP News Reader " or something similar, but as Google Groups is free, good enough, and managed by somebody else, it's the default option. Regards, Sid |