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From: Keith on 20 Sep 2008 17:51 On 20 Sep 2008 at 13:38, Graz wrote: > I already know what making progress means. In a 30 zone it means > going at 40 or more. Try doing that during a driving test. Then, > when you have, come back and tell us what happened. On *most* 30 roads it's safe to do 45+ at *most* times of the day. The L-test isn't about safe vs unsafe driving - all that's needed is to show a willingness to conform to rigid and pointless rules for half an hour.
From: Graz on 20 Sep 2008 23:37 On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:51:21 +0200 (CEST), Keith <keith(a)mailinator.com> wrote: >On 20 Sep 2008 at 13:38, Graz wrote: >> I already know what making progress means. In a 30 zone it means >> going at 40 or more. Try doing that during a driving test. Then, >> when you have, come back and tell us what happened. > >On *most* 30 roads it's safe to do 45+ at *most* times of the day. It's also *illegal*. >The >L-test isn't about safe vs unsafe driving - all that's needed is to show >a willingness to conform to rigid and pointless rules for half an hour. And if you can't even bring yourself to do it for half an hour, what chance is there that you'll conform to the rules subsequently?
From: SteveH on 21 Sep 2008 03:57 Road_Hog <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote: > >> Competent drivers certainly will, where a council (run by non driving > >> letfie, rabidly anti car drivers) will take a perfectly good road with a > >> 40mph speed limit > > > > ..or a 50 limit, or even an NSL... > > > >> and switch it to 30mph. > > And, even though we're driving cars with disc brakes all round, abs, esp and > bigger tyres with a better compound and not Morris Minors, as when the > limits were originally set. Highway Code still says 105 yards 315ft (well > Metric now, 96m 315ft) stopping distance at 70mph, I wonder what car they > tested it on and if they've tried it with an average family saloon in the > last few years. I tend to stick to 30s and 40s - even if I know it's safer to go faster - but especially in areas I don't know as *most* are set to 30 or 40 for a reason. 50s are a bit of a grey area - many should be NSL, but there are some which are quite reasonably 50 - in fact I was 'done' by a van in one between Ross on Wye and Monmouth a few years ago. NSLs are mostly driven at a speed at which I feel 'safe'..... unfortunately most drivers out there seem to think 'safe' is 40-45mph these days and that overtaking is illegal. A game I like to play with them is to overtake in the NSLs, then slow to 20mph in 30s to see their reaction to someone driving at 2/3 of the limit.... more often than not it leads to tailgating and weaving around looking for a way past. -- SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS
From: Road_Hog on 21 Sep 2008 04:21 "SteveH" <steve(a)italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message news:1inm0pq.uogo9x1auwmrN%steve(a)italiancar.co.uk... > 50s are a bit of a grey area - many should be NSL, but there are some > which are quite reasonably 50 - in fact I was 'done' by a van in one > between Ross on Wye and Monmouth a few years ago. > > NSLs are mostly driven at a speed at which I feel 'safe'..... > unfortunately most drivers out there seem to think 'safe' is 40-45mph > these days and that overtaking is illegal. > > A game I like to play with them is to overtake in the NSLs, then slow to > 20mph in 30s to see their reaction to someone driving at 2/3 of the > limit.... more often than not it leads to tailgating and weaving around > looking for a way past. > -- > SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' > www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed > Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS Yes, interesting article here about the changing to 50mph http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/stealthnsl.html I tend to think that if you treat drivers like adults then they are most likely to behave like responable drivers/adults. If speeds limits are set correctly and stretches are reduced to 50mph in areas where it is needed, unlike the picture of the A515 people will respect them but if it is just blanket coverage, pandeing to the speed kills brigade then they will get ignored and lead to frustration and over taking. The most lunatic thing the old leftie anti car brigade do, is in towns where they repaint the markings at a set of traffice lights with two lanes and mark the left lane, left turn only (not a filter lane) and the right lane, right and straight on, whereby the first car at the lights is going right and all the straight on traffic has to sit there looking at a completely empty left turn lane. Of course the consquences are two fold, one extra pollution from the cars stuck in the right lane and the frustrated drivers nipping in the left lane to go around, only to find that one doesn't check his rear view mirror and wallop as he gets rear ended.
From: AndrewR on 21 Sep 2008 08:19
"Rob" <rsvptorob-newsREMOVE(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:MLGdnW_OZtt0vEjVnZ2dnUVZ8radnZ2d(a)bt.com... > AndrewR wrote: > | If you go past a camera van the operator, having determined that > | you're speeding, can make a note of your reg number and that is, > | apparently, sufficient evidence to do you. > > No it isn't. If it *were* true then not only could they save a fortune by > replacing their expensive speed recording cameras with a cheapo digital > camera, they would also have an unlimited revenue stream from both > speeders and the law-abiding. Ah, but they have a nice photo of the vehicle speeding, they have the registration number (albeit not on film), they can show that the registration number matches the type of bike in the photograph and they've got the word of the nice, upstanding, man operating the camera van, so they've got a case. For reference here is the case of the biker who was done through front-facing photo evidence (sorry about the source, for some reason I couldn't find the story on BBC News) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-455259/V-whizz-The-105mph-biker-gave-finger-salutes-speed-cameras.html |