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From: Jason James on 24 Jul 2010 15:03 "atec77" <atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:i2es37$1jn$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 24/07/2010 7:43 PM, who where wrote: >> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:18:07 +1000, "George W Frost" >> <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> "F Murtz"<haggisz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:4c4a5495$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... >>>> Clocky wrote: >>>>> F Murtz wrote: >>>>>> PHATRS wrote: >>>>>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote: >>>>>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough >>>>>>>> for some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should* >>>>>>>> be able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why >>>>>>>> are they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the >>>>>>>> all-day speed curfew. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones were >>>>>>> implemented or after the permanent limit is in place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lots of talk about fines though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to change the >>>>>>> signs. It's all about the money folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ben >>>>>> There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase elsewhere >>>>>> as school zones are a completely wrong way to teach road safety to >>>>>> young learning minds >>>>>> They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they have a >>>>>> real road to contend with, they get run over. >>>>> >>>>> It's up to parents to teach them how to cross roads starting from as >>>>> soon >>>>> as >>>>> they start to walk. >>>>> >>>>> If kids don't know how to cross a road by the time they go to school >>>>> it's >>>>> not the system that has failed the child... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> But they don't, so the govt puts these stupid non effective school zone >>>> restrictions on that don't drop the overall child accident rates, >>>> instead >>>> of training schoolchildren properly. >>> >>> Whatever happened to the local copper going to the school once a week >>> giving >>> the kids road use instructions >> >> Dunno, but the local copper giving them a firm clout behind the ear >> the first time they got caught shoplifting is another effective >> training method that has sadly (long) gone by the wayside. >> >> Now, primary school teachers are expected to instil everything from >> values to social behaviour, and this to a horde who no longer show any >> respect for their elders or society in general. Parents need to lift >> their game big time. > I had occasion to try instilling some kwoledge into several young blokes > in a trade , it was glaringly obvious they had no respect for them selves > and little for me initially > Once it was explained things should go my way or they failed the course > and lost the chance to redo it for some time things improved which begs > the question why were they so hell bent on being stupid ? > I was pretty wild at that age but I had an understanding of respect and > acceptable behaviour including not swearing or being an arsehole in class > If these kids are a product of modern high schools then bring back the > cane and other forms of smashing them into shape The school system I know of (Primary),.. is virtually totally devoid of any will to discipline repeatedly errant children. I know of one 5th form kid who is a regular truant to the tune of one day a week. The school haven't done anything with conviction to address the problem. It's as tho they dont want to get involved. Of course I'm not referring to the "old" days when failure to provide A note, would see you in a meeting with Mr Cane. They were a little too draconian,...but like other things in one's life, it is a see-saw thing,..from the rediculous to the sublime :-)... and vice-versa. Jason
From: Albm&ctd on 24 Jul 2010 19:03 In article <37dl46tcaoet3v3nnh9f451fd3camcip70(a)4ax.com>, noone(a)home.net says... > On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:18:07 +1000, "George W Frost" > <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >"F Murtz" <haggisz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:4c4a5495$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... > >> Clocky wrote: > >>> F Murtz wrote: > >>>> PHATRS wrote: > >>>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote: > >>>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough > >>>>>> for some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should* > >>>>>> be able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why > >>>>>> are they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the > >>>>>> all-day speed curfew. > >>>>> > >>>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones were > >>>>> implemented or after the permanent limit is in place. > >>>>> > >>>>> Lots of talk about fines though. > >>>>> > >>>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to change the > >>>>> signs. It's all about the money folks. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ben > >>>> There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase elsewhere > >>>> as school zones are a completely wrong way to teach road safety to > >>>> young learning minds > >>>> They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they have a > >>>> real road to contend with, they get run over. > >>> > >>> It's up to parents to teach them how to cross roads starting from as soon > >>> as > >>> they start to walk. > >>> > >>> If kids don't know how to cross a road by the time they go to school it's > >>> not the system that has failed the child... > >>> > >>> > >> But they don't, so the govt puts these stupid non effective school zone > >> restrictions on that don't drop the overall child accident rates, instead > >> of training schoolchildren properly. > > > >Whatever happened to the local copper going to the school once a week giving > >the kids road use instructions > > Dunno, but the local copper giving them a firm clout behind the ear > the first time they got caught shoplifting is another effective > training method that has sadly (long) gone by the wayside. > > Now, primary school teachers are expected to instil everything from > values to social behaviour, and this to a horde who no longer show any > respect for their elders or society in general. Parents need to lift > their game big time. > Ashley, the government has taken over the parenting role. Just a quick look on the net to find what may be abuse: "Emotional Abuse occurs when a child's parent or caregiver repeatedly rejects the child or uses threats to frighten the child. This may involve name calling, put downs or continual coldness from the parent or caregiver, to the extent that it significantly damages the child's physical, social, intellectual or emotional development." Is it any wonder that the female role is to simply drop them out and drop them off for someone else to take care of? Al -- I don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
From: Clocky on 24 Jul 2010 20:29 atec77 wrote: > On 24/07/2010 7:43 PM, who where wrote: >> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:18:07 +1000, "George W Frost" >> <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> "F Murtz"<haggisz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:4c4a5495$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... >>>> Clocky wrote: >>>>> F Murtz wrote: >>>>>> PHATRS wrote: >>>>>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote: >>>>>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't >>>>>>>> enough for some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers >>>>>>>> (who *should* be able to look out for themselves near a road?) >>>>>>>> and children (why are they there?) outside those hours, >>>>>>>> seemingly necessitating the all-day speed curfew. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones >>>>>>> were implemented or after the permanent limit is in place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lots of talk about fines though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to >>>>>>> change the signs. It's all about the money folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ben >>>>>> There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase >>>>>> elsewhere as school zones are a completely wrong way to teach >>>>>> road safety to young learning minds >>>>>> They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they >>>>>> have a real road to contend with, they get run over. >>>>> >>>>> It's up to parents to teach them how to cross roads starting from >>>>> as soon as >>>>> they start to walk. >>>>> >>>>> If kids don't know how to cross a road by the time they go to >>>>> school it's not the system that has failed the child... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> But they don't, so the govt puts these stupid non effective school >>>> zone restrictions on that don't drop the overall child accident >>>> rates, instead of training schoolchildren properly. >>> >>> Whatever happened to the local copper going to the school once a >>> week giving the kids road use instructions >> >> Dunno, but the local copper giving them a firm clout behind the ear >> the first time they got caught shoplifting is another effective >> training method that has sadly (long) gone by the wayside. >> >> Now, primary school teachers are expected to instil everything from >> values to social behaviour, and this to a horde who no longer show >> any respect for their elders or society in general. Parents need to >> lift their game big time. > I had occasion to try instilling some kwoledge into several young > blokes in a trade , it was glaringly obvious they had no respect for > them selves and little for me initially > Once it was explained things should go my way or they failed the > course and lost the chance to redo it for some time things improved > which begs the question why were they so hell bent on being stupid ? > I was pretty wild at that age but I had an understanding of respect > and acceptable behaviour including not swearing or being an arsehole > in class > If these kids are a product of modern high schools then bring back > the cane and other forms of smashing them into shape LOL thanks for the laugh, a semi-literate hypocrite bullshit artist is making comments about schooling and discipline. By your measure you should have left school with a cane embedded in your thick skull.
From: who where on 24 Jul 2010 22:10 On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:07:28 +1000, atec77 <atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote: (snip) > If these kids are a product of modern high schools then bring back the >cane and other forms of smashing them into shape No, they are a product of three things, in chronological order. 1. Parents who failed to teach/control/discipline them before they ever start school. 2. A school system where the teachers aren't allowed to say anything negative to/about the evil monsters or say anything but praise in their reports. 3. A school system where the dunderheads who can't/won't learn can't be kept down (aka repeat the year) and so - when they fall off the learning cart - become a drag on the system which should be able to aim its effort at least as high as the average kid, instead of having to devote extra time to the knuckle-dragging sector.
From: Clocky on 24 Jul 2010 22:24
who where wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:07:28 +1000, atec77 <atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > (snip) >> If these kids are a product of modern high schools then bring back >> the cane and other forms of smashing them into shape > > No, they are a product of three things, in chronological order. > > 1. Parents who failed to teach/control/discipline them before they > ever start school. > > 2. A school system where the teachers aren't allowed to say anything > negative to/about the evil monsters or say anything but praise in > their reports. > > 3. A school system where the dunderheads who can't/won't learn can't > be kept down (aka repeat the year) and so - when they fall off the > learning cart - become a drag on the system which should be able to > aim its effort at least as high as the average kid, instead of having > to devote extra time to the knuckle-dragging sector. 3/3 top of the class for you. |