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From: John McKenzie on 30 Mar 2010 13:34 Neil Gerace wrote: > > D Walford wrote: > > That is true to a point but believe it or there are places on this > > planet where spinning your cars wheels aren't considered to be such a > > big deal. > > Not many such places are public streets with lots of people watching, I reckon. There's a video or three on you-tube from saudi Arabia (I think) where they drift on straght public roads, and clean up a few people in the process. Whilst I'm certainly in agreeance that Hamilton was a bit of a naive tool for doing what he did, I'd point out that govco in general is happy to try and make a big economic earn from teh grand prix, which sells itself on the whole premise of a bunch of top gun drives who (for the purposes of the charade of advertising etc) laugh in the face of death etc etc. Be that as it may, there isn't really a legal distinction between a bunch of fucken retards doing burnouts on a crowded street with lots of innocent bystanders and a similar bunch of fucken retards doing it late at night in some industrial estate where the only people there are those involved and no risk to innocent life whatsoever. I'm not condoning the latter, but it's getting fucken ridiculous. When gang rapists are getting close to a decade cut off their sentence due to what amounts to legal loopholes (for want of a better term) whee a _drunk_ driver on a second offence with no licence kilss someone can avoid jail (but perhaps not the 3rd go round), where recidivist pedophiles are not prosecuted because 'they may not get a fair trial' even though there is more than sufficient evidence to convict, one can seriously face far tougher penalties for a friggen burnout. Even on his darkest day, George Orwell had what, given the direction society is currently headed, could only be descibed as unwaivering optimism... -- John McKenzie tosspam(a)aol.com abuse(a)yahoo.com abuse(a)hotmail.com abuse(a)earthlink.com abuse(a)aol.com vice.president(a)whitehouse.gov president(a)whitehouse.gov sweep.day(a)accc.gov.au uce(a)ftc.gov admin(a)loopback abuse(a)iprimus.com.au $LOGIN(a)localhost I knew Sanchez before they were dirty root(a)mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME(a)localhost -h1024(a)localhost abuse(a)msn.com abuse(a)federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo(a)psinet.com abuse(a)asio.gov.au $USER(a)localhost abuse(a)sprint.com abuse(a)fbi.gov abuse(a)cia.gov
From: D Walford on 30 Mar 2010 17:07 On 30/03/2010 11:58 PM, Neil Gerace wrote: > D Walford wrote: > >> Do the Poms have such laws? >> If Pommy laws on such things are the same as ours and he knew it was a >> big deal than I would agree but most sane people wouldn't think >> spinning a cars wheels warranted such a furore. > > It should no difference whether he knew what the law was, or not. Why, if its not illegal where he come from and it probably isn't it could make a huge difference. > >> Hands up those here who have never span a cars wheels, > > Not having been in his position, I've never done it next to a cop car > while thinking, "I'm famous, I'm untouchable." Nothing to suggest that he thought that, like most people who get done he probably didn't see the cop car which was most likely hidden to maximise its chances of collecting cash. Daryl
From: D Walford on 30 Mar 2010 17:22 On 31/03/2010 3:57 AM, Clocky wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> On 30/03/2010 10:37 PM, Noddy wrote: >>> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >>> news:4bb1dcaa$0$27814$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> >>>> I've never made that argument, my problem is with the law itself, I >>>> have no problem with it being applied equally. >>> >>> No offence, but until Hamilton (what that who it was?) was pinched I >>> can't recall you being very anti about it. >> >> Webbers nanny state comments is what got me started, its not just >> driving where we are subjected to nanny laws, its creeping into >> everything we do. >> Internet censorship is another prime example of a Govt gone mad. >>> >>>> I very much doubt it, most "hoon" case that are reported in the >>>> news are for exceeding the speed limit by a big margin, you can't >>>> seriously compare a bit of wheel spin when driving away from a set >>>> of lights to doing 120 in a 60 zone. >>> >>> Every kid who has been busted for a "burnout" is in exactly the same >>> boat. As far as the law is concerned, you're either doing a burnout >>> or you're not, and you don't get browny points for the amount of >>> smoke you make. >> >> Doing a burnout is not the same as a bit of wheel spin taking off >> from a set of lights. >>> >>>> Only if he knew that he could get pinged for doing what he did and >>>> seeing as how this is probably the only place on the planet where >>>> it could happen its seems unlikely. >>>> If his team comes out and says he was warned about our stupid rules >>>> then he is an idiot. >>> >>> He's an idiot for doing it on a public road full stop. Warned or >>> not. If he can't tell where the track ends and the street begins >>> then maybe he should give some consideration to a different career. >> >> That is true to a point but believe it or there are places on this >> planet where spinning your cars wheels aren't considered to be such a >> big deal. >> > > I can't think of any country that wouldn't have problems with people > spinning their wheels and doing a snakeyup the road (aka a burnout FYI) > alongside pedestrians. > How do you know there were pedestrians present? > The fact that you defend this sort of behaviour as well as bad behaviour by > truckies is a bit of a worry, to be honest. I don't "defend" either but I do object when you make wild claims that every truckie is dangerous driver when the vast majority aren't. Daryl
From: D Walford on 30 Mar 2010 17:26 On 31/03/2010 4:34 AM, John McKenzie wrote: > Be that as it may, there isn't really a legal distinction between a > bunch of fucken retards doing burnouts on a crowded street with lots of > innocent bystanders and a similar bunch of fucken retards doing it late > at night in some industrial estate where the only people there are those > involved and no risk to innocent life whatsoever. I'm not condoning the > latter, but it's getting fucken ridiculous. When gang rapists are > getting close to a decade cut off their sentence due to what amounts to > legal loopholes (for want of a better term) whee a _drunk_ driver on a > second offence with no licence kilss someone can avoid jail (but perhaps > not the 3rd go round), where recidivist pedophiles are not prosecuted > because 'they may not get a fair trial' even though there is more than > sufficient evidence to convict, one can seriously face far tougher > penalties for a friggen burnout. > > Even on his darkest day, George Orwell had what, given the direction > society is currently headed, could only be descibed as unwaivering > optimism... > At last someone gets the point. Daryl
From: hippo on 30 Mar 2010 17:34
D Walford wrote: > > On 30/03/2010 10:37 PM, Noddy wrote: > > "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message > > news:4bb1dcaa$0$27814$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > > > >> I've never made that argument, my problem is with the law itself, I have > >> no problem with it being applied equally. > > > > No offence, but until Hamilton (what that who it was?) was pinched I can't > > recall you being very anti about it. > > Webbers nanny state comments is what got me started, its not just > driving where we are subjected to nanny laws, its creeping into > everything we do. > Internet censorship is another prime example of a Govt gone mad. > > > >> I very much doubt it, most "hoon" case that are reported in the news are > >> for exceeding the speed limit by a big margin, you can't seriously compare > >> a bit of wheel spin when driving away from a set of lights to doing 120 in > >> a 60 zone. > > > > Every kid who has been busted for a "burnout" is in exactly the same boat. > > As far as the law is concerned, you're either doing a burnout or you're not, > > and you don't get browny points for the amount of smoke you make. > > Doing a burnout is not the same as a bit of wheel spin taking off from a > set of lights. > > > >> Only if he knew that he could get pinged for doing what he did and seeing > >> as how this is probably the only place on the planet where it could happen > >> its seems unlikely. > >> If his team comes out and says he was warned about our stupid rules then > >> he is an idiot. > > > > He's an idiot for doing it on a public road full stop. Warned or not. If he > > can't tell where the track ends and the street begins then maybe he should > > give some consideration to a different career. > > That is true to a point but believe it or there are places on this > planet where spinning your cars wheels aren't considered to be such a > big deal. > > > > Daryl > > Question Time in Parliament for one :) -- Posted at www.usenet.com.au |