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From: Colin McKenzie on 6 Jul 2010 12:15 On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:09:10 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Unless maybe if you > take a train or boat, its the *milage* of travel that will kill the > planet and flying tops that by a, er, mile. Ships are energy-efficient for transporting freight, but not people. This is because the ships are so heavy in relation to the number of passengers - especially if you count the weight of the passengers' cars, which are often on board too. Fast hydrofoils and other smaller craft may be better, as they just carry passengers, in fairly cramped conditions if full. Colin McKenzie -- No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking. Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.
From: Doug on 6 Jul 2010 12:34 On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they also > complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this report, > there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase in the > use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in > addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of replacement. > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... > > Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up to 10p > a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be created > if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. > > The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars should > be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. > > So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; or, > carry on as we are? > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for less fortunate people. Doug.
From: Nick Finnigan on 6 Jul 2010 13:18 Colin McKenzie wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:09:10 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man > <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> Unless maybe if you >> take a train or boat, its the *milage* of travel that will kill the >> planet and flying tops that by a, er, mile. > > Ships are energy-efficient for transporting freight, but not people. > This is because the ships are so heavy in relation to the number of > passengers - especially if you count the weight of the passengers' cars, > which are often on board too. As are trains.
From: Brimstone on 6 Jul 2010 14:08 "Doug" <smithx(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they also >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this >> report, >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase in >> the >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of >> replacement. >> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up to >> 10p >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be >> created >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars >> should >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; or, >> carry on as we are? >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for > less fortunate people. > I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. Why did you buy an electric bicycle?
From: Mike Barnes on 6 Jul 2010 13:52
boltar2003(a)boltar.world: >On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:06:33 +0100 >Dave Plowman <dave(a)davesound.co.uk> wrote: >>> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; >>> or, carry on as we are? >> >>Most environmentalist don't understand the simple laws of physics. > >Unfortunately neither do most journalists. I'm sick of reading BS articles >about "clean" hydrogen energy , producing H2 from water etc etc. The other one that gets me is the fact that journalists are impressed by the fact that the new version of model X not only uses less fuel than the previous version, but also has lower emissions. Don't they notice that the percentage improvements are remarkably similar? -- Mike Barnes |