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From: Tony Dragon on 1 Jan 2010 03:35 Doug wrote: > On 31 Dec 2009, 08:45, PeterG <petergra...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> On Dec 31, 7:13 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 30 Dec, 18:48, "The Medway Handyman" >>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Doug wrote: >>>>> On 30 Dec, 08:52, "The Medway Handyman" >>>>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> Doug wrote: >>>>>>> On 29 Dec, 15:33, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <a3cf6e72-619c-4027-aa20-5c3fc6639d01 >>>>>>>> @d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Doug says... >>>>>>>>>> I wonder how the residents get their food and the goods they >>>>>>>>>> buy.... >>>>>>>>> Shouldn't be too difficult for you to work it out. Think lifts >>>>>>>>> instead of cars, with trains bring the goods to the base of the >>>>>>>>> city. Cycles or electric buggies could be used for horizontal >>>>>>>>> travel at each level. >>>>>>>> Really? Any idea how many tonnes of supplied an average town gets >>>>>>>> through in a day? Here's a clue, its well into four figures. Hell, >>>>>>>> the local Tesco in Bridlington gets 200 tonnes per day of >>>>>>>> deliveries and its not the sole supermarket nor the sole recipient >>>>>>>> of goods in that town. >>>>>>>> How many bicycles and electric buggies do you think it'd take to >>>>>>>> move 1000 tonnes of goods per day? >>>>>>> You clearly haven't begun to grasp this concept or don't want to. >>>>>> Question neatly avoided. How would you move 1000 tonnes of good per >>>>>> day? >>>>> The obvious clumsily avoided by you. The same as anywhere else, fork >>>>> lift trucks, preferably electric. Now would you like to deal with the >>>>> main point that cars would no longer be needed? >>>> Electric fork lift trucks? How do the goods get to the vertical city in the >>>> first place? Are you a complete idiot? >>> Clearly you have a serious reading problem and are inattentive. I have >>> already dealt with this and the answer is 'by train'. >>>> Cars no longer needed? So how long would it take you to go from Kent to >>>> Corwall in an electric buggy? >>> Why would you need to when you have everything you need at hand in >>> your vertical city? The whole point is that it minimises the need for >>> harmful, excessive travel and especially car travel. Of course those >>> who, like yourself, seem to suffer from itinerant wander lust could >>> probably get suitable treatment. >> >> You can just imagine these verticle citys. >> There you are walking along one of the internal walkways (under >> artificial light) when all of a sudden an idiot on a bike charges >> round the corner with no regard for pedestrians & knocks you off your >> feet. >> > No the light comes mainly from walls of glass. Well at least there are > no pavement motorists to knock holes in house walls and/or kill > people. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns > www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. > So the cities would not be very wide then, and of course no privacy. Bit like a tower block then. -- Tony Dragon
From: Tony Dragon on 1 Jan 2010 03:38 Doug wrote: > On 31 Dec 2009, 11:17, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >>> Why would you need to when you have everything you need at hand in >>> your vertical city? The whole point is that it minimises the need for >>> harmful, excessive travel and especially car travel. Of course those >>> who, like yourself, seem to suffer from itinerant wander lust could >>> probably get suitable treatment. >> Exactly. >> >> Who, once enclosed in a tower block somewhere in Urban Primus, Airstrip One, >> might wish to see the sea, or the countryside, let alone the Mediterranean >> Sea or the Taj Mahal? >> >> Why would anyone sane want to see the sky? Or the rain? Visit a relative? Go >> to the theatre? Play football? Go for a walk in the mountains? >> >> Best stay permanently indoors and do as they're told, eh? >> > Nope. Although most recreational activities would be catered for > within the vertical city, including parks and gardens, inhabitants > would still be able to catch the trains at the base to visit the > places you mention. > > -- > Car Free Cities > http://www.carfree.com/ > Carfree Cities proposes a delightful solution > to the vexing problem of urban automobiles. Are these parks & gardens open to the air then, or if enclosed how much power is used to keep the plants healthy? -- Tony Dragon
From: The Medway Handyman on 1 Jan 2010 11:21 Doug wrote: >> >> Obviously they would be built to a suitable size to cater for a >> particular population and put an end to suburban and rural sprawl." >> > > Here is an update. > > "Burj Dubai, the world's tallest tower, will receive its first > residents as early as February 2010. > > Over 12,000 people will live and work in the mixed-use tower > comprising luxurious apartments, prime office space, among other > modern lifestyle amenities,.." So, lets do the math. It cost $217 million to build & houses 120,000. Thats roughly �134 million. Of course they only paid carpenters �4.34 a day and labourers �2.50 a day. If we pay UK rates, it would cost at the very least �300 million to build each. 23 million dweelings in the UK, so we are going to need about 200 towers. Of course, we would have to include demolition costs, temporary housing whist building was going on etc. Given a working population of say, 30 million people...... My calculator has just exploded.... -- Dave - the small piece of 14th century armour used to protect the armpit.
From: MasonS on 1 Jan 2010 11:32 On 1 Jan, 16:21, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > My calculator has just exploded.... It will have done. The number of pavement pedestrians killed by cyclists in 2009 was zero. You then tried to divide the total number of miles they travelled last year by zero to get the number of miles travelled per ped killed. BOOM. -- Simon Mason
From: The Medway Handyman on 1 Jan 2010 11:34
MasonS(a)BP.com wrote: > On 1 Jan, 16:21, "The Medway Handyman" > <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >> My calculator has just exploded.... > > It will have done. > The number of pavement pedestrians killed by cyclists in 2009 was > zero. It was 3. > You then tried to divide the total number of miles they travelled last > year by zero to get the number of miles travelled per ped killed. > BOOM. -- Dave - the small piece of 14th century armour used to protect the armpit. |