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From: MrBitsy on 2 May 2010 13:41 On 02/05/2010 10:16, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2010 10:10:28 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan > <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > >> What escape route would you plan for this >> threads situation >> > (thats why I don't like the junction, you are in a situation where you > have few if any options in traffic, the only thing to do is maximise > the gap to the car in front - which isnt very effective if you need to > be at 55-60 to merge and the car in front decides to slow to 30 - or > the better option, join at the next junction which has a proper slip). > > What's your escape route when overtaking in L3 on a motorway? > You didn't answer my question, here it is again... Car in lane 1 approaching a junction indicating left. The car is fast approaching a slower car ahead of it, that it will catch before the slip road You in lane 2 of 2. You observe you may pass these vehicles 100 yards before the slip. From this simple scenario, where is the danger and what do you do about it? -- MrBitsy
From: Brimstone on 2 May 2010 13:49 "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message news:XZCdnVjLf9PGJEDWnZ2dnUVZ8tJi4p2d(a)giganews.com... > On 02/05/2010 10:16, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: >> On Sun, 02 May 2010 10:10:28 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan >> <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >>> What escape route would you plan for this >>> threads situation >>> >> (thats why I don't like the junction, you are in a situation where you >> have few if any options in traffic, the only thing to do is maximise >> the gap to the car in front - which isnt very effective if you need to >> be at 55-60 to merge and the car in front decides to slow to 30 - or >> the better option, join at the next junction which has a proper slip). >> >> What's your escape route when overtaking in L3 on a motorway? >> > You didn't answer my question, here it is again... > > Car in lane 1 approaching a junction indicating left. The car is fast > approaching a slower car ahead of it, that it will catch before the slip > road You in lane 2 of 2. You observe you may pass these vehicles 100 > yards before the slip. > > From this simple scenario, where is the danger and what do you do about > it? > The danger arises from the slow driver The solution is to blast him with a machine gun and send him off the road - permanently.
From: MrBitsy on 2 May 2010 17:52 On 02/05/2010 18:49, Brimstone wrote: > > > "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message > news:XZCdnVjLf9PGJEDWnZ2dnUVZ8tJi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> On 02/05/2010 10:16, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: >>> On Sun, 02 May 2010 10:10:28 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan >>> <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> What escape route would you plan for this >>>> threads situation >>>> >>> (thats why I don't like the junction, you are in a situation where you >>> have few if any options in traffic, the only thing to do is maximise >>> the gap to the car in front - which isnt very effective if you need to >>> be at 55-60 to merge and the car in front decides to slow to 30 - or >>> the better option, join at the next junction which has a proper slip). >>> >>> What's your escape route when overtaking in L3 on a motorway? >>> >> You didn't answer my question, here it is again... >> >> Car in lane 1 approaching a junction indicating left. The car is fast >> approaching a slower car ahead of it, that it will catch before the >> slip road You in lane 2 of 2. You observe you may pass these >> vehicles 100 yards before the slip. >> >> From this simple scenario, where is the danger and what do you do >> about it? >> > The danger arises from the slow driver Why? > > The solution is to blast him with a machine gun and send him off the > road - permanently. Oh dear! -- MrBitsy
From: Brimstone on 3 May 2010 03:05 "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message news:wtOdnQHdOJaKaUDWnZ2dnUVZ8mti4p2d(a)giganews.com... > On 02/05/2010 18:49, Brimstone wrote: >> >> >> "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message >> news:XZCdnVjLf9PGJEDWnZ2dnUVZ8tJi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>> On 02/05/2010 10:16, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: >>>> On Sun, 02 May 2010 10:10:28 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan >>>> <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> What escape route would you plan for this >>>>> threads situation >>>>> >>>> (thats why I don't like the junction, you are in a situation where you >>>> have few if any options in traffic, the only thing to do is maximise >>>> the gap to the car in front - which isnt very effective if you need to >>>> be at 55-60 to merge and the car in front decides to slow to 30 - or >>>> the better option, join at the next junction which has a proper slip). >>>> >>>> What's your escape route when overtaking in L3 on a motorway? >>>> >>> You didn't answer my question, here it is again... >>> >>> Car in lane 1 approaching a junction indicating left. The car is fast >>> approaching a slower car ahead of it, that it will catch before the slip >>> road You in lane 2 of 2. You observe you may pass these vehicles 100 >>> yards before the slip. >>> >>> From this simple scenario, where is the danger and what do you do about >>> it? >>> >> The danger arises from the slow driver > > Why? >> >> The solution is to blast him with a machine gun and send him off the >> road - permanently. > > Oh dear! > Rapidly followed by a very loud wwwooooooooooshing sound over Ray's head.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 4 May 2010 05:26
On Sat, 01 May 2010 19:32:38 +0100, MrBitsy <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote: >Car in lane 1 approaching a junction indicating left. The car is fast >approaching a slower car ahead of it, that it will catch before the slip >road You in lane 2 of 2. You observe you may pass these vehicles 100 >yards before the slip. > > From this simple scenario, where is the danger and what do you do about it? its obvious what you do there to anybody who takes an interest in driving. >> You assessment that the car was 50/50 likely to go right is blatantly >> absurd. >> > >What is absurd to me, is that it happened to you, causing the closest >near miss you have had, yet you continue to say it is unlikely. I continue to say its unlikely because it is unlikely, ive seen it once in 40 years. A car in L1 indicating left at a junction is giving a lot of indications it will go left or at worst ahead, your idea its 50/50 likely to go "right" is not supported by observation over 40 years, I doubt many would do differently that me (pass it in the next lane) as they would for a car in L1 *not* indicating, do you do otherwiise? I am now unclear on your position on crash barriers, you said at first that you adjust your driving between crash barriers/no crash barriers, later you say you do not assume a crash barrier protects you so you do *not* adjust your driving. This seems contradictory. (I take no account of the presence of crash barriers, they are a passive safety device installed at the descretion of highway authorities, I'm hardly going to drive recklessly just because they are there). -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. |