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From: MrBitsy on 1 May 2010 14:21 On 30/04/2010 10:58, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: > On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:45:06 +0100, MrBitsy<ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> > wrote: > > >> Rather than getting defensive all the time, how about understanding how >> you made the mistake of another driver, a lot worse than it needed to be? >> > In what way "a lot worse"? I avoided him. I'm not being defensive, you > are ridiculously fault finding. > > How is 'avoiding him' better than anticipating the move and driver defensively? > It isn't 50/50 that a car indicating left at a junction is going right > <sigh> A car going unusually slowly approaching a junction and a split is more of a danger, so the chance of him going right has to increase. In any case, by your own estimation you gave it a 5% chance of going right, yet you did nothing about the possibility - anticipation was poor. Are you really saying that even after the car went right, and you had the closest near miss you have ever had, you would not approach this scenario differently? -- MrBitsy
From: MrBitsy on 1 May 2010 14:32 On 30/04/2010 11:06, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: > On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:33:38 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan > <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > >>> Right, so in your estimation there was a 5% chance the car would go >>> right - what clues were the 5% the car would go right? >>> >> 95% was a figure of speech >> > I have driven for 40 years, nobody before turned right while > indicating left at a motorway junction, so that's 1 in what, a > million? > Right, so if it hasn't happened to you there is no need to anticipate the possibility? > The question is this:- do we assume a car in the lane to our left is > likely to move into our path (especially when indicating left) if so > what action do you take to mitigate it? > > Yes, I do assume that. I always have an escape route planned in my mind when passing a vehicle. Let me give you an example. Car in lane 1 approaching a junction indicating left. The car is fast approaching a slower car ahead of it, that it will catch before the slip road You in lane 2 of 2. You observe you may pass these vehicles 100 yards before the slip. From this simple scenario, where is the danger and what do you do about it? > You assessment that the car was 50/50 likely to go right is blatantly > absurd. > What is absurd to me, is that it happened to you, causing the closest near miss you have had, yet you continue to say it is unlikely. -- MrBitsy
From: MrBitsy on 1 May 2010 14:33 On 30/04/2010 13:11, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: > On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:06:03 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan > <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > >>>> Right, so in your estimation there was a 5% chance the car would go >>>> right - what clues were the 5% the car would go right? >>>> >>> 95% was a figure of speech >>> > in addition, you misrepresented the 95% anyway:- > > I said "because 95% of the clues indicated the vehicle would turn left > or at least carry on". > > In other words the evidence suggested the car would go left or ahead. > (95% of clues != 95% of cars) > > Your claim I am saying 5% of cars would go right is false and a > seconds thought will tell you neither your claimed 50% or the 5% you > miss-assign to me would, the number will be 1 in some very large > number as I have said elsewhere. > Not happened to you, but plenty of others. It is this attitude that leads people into accidents that are easily avoided. -- MrBitsy
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 2 May 2010 05:06 On Sat, 01 May 2010 19:21:46 +0100, MrBitsy <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote: >by your own estimation you gave it a 5% chanc no I did not. -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 2 May 2010 05:08
On Sat, 01 May 2010 19:33:50 +0100, MrBitsy <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote: >Not happened to you, but plenty of others. It is this attitude that >leads people into accidents that are easily avoided. when are you going to suggest what I was doing wrong according to you at the other junction? I take it you only overtake on motorways with a clear lane between you and the other car incase the drivers suddenly pulls out? -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. |