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From: ransley on 5 Mar 2010 08:32 On Mar 4, 10:15 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:42:19 -0800, john wrote: > > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar to > > airline "black boxes" > > So has everyone else, putz. > > Here's a hint for you: don't like Toyotas? DON'T BUY ONE! So who pays you, and what does your Japanese Signature really mean, { Toyota forever]? [we won at Pearl Harbor] ? . Get on a junk and float back to your island.
From: ransley on 5 Mar 2010 09:34 On Mar 5, 7:33 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: > In article > <4e08f574-e7ae-4f01-a649-30a0a6cf4...(a)t23g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>, > > ransley <Mark_Rans...(a)Yahoo.com> wrote: > > Buy a Ford feed 10 US families, Buy a Toyota feed 10 Jap > > families. > > Buy a Ford feed 100 Mexican families, buy a Toyota and feed 10 American > families. > > Fixed it for you. Thanks, but at least its the same continent.
From: C. E. White on 5 Mar 2010 09:51 "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in message news:elmop-84E137.08334305032010(a)nothing.attdns.com... > In article > <4e08f574-e7ae-4f01-a649-30a0a6cf40ec(a)t23g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>, > ransley <Mark_Ransley(a)Yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Buy a Ford feed 10 US families, Buy a Toyota feed 10 Jap >> families. > > Buy a Ford feed 100 Mexican families, buy a Toyota and feed 10 > American > families. Neither is true. And the fact is, despite assembling some cars in Mexico, Ford averages the highest domestic content of any company selling cars in the US. Let do a quick fact check...The Ford Hermosillo Mexico plant employs around 2,700 people (probably not all Mexican, but we will ignore that). The plant produces around 210,000 Fusion, Milans, and MKZ's a year. Do the math, it takes almost 80 cars to pay the salary of one worker for the year. So I guess you could say, buy a Ford Fusion, feed 0.0125 Mexican families for a year. Or buy a Ford Fusion and fedd a Mexican family for 4.6 days. Of course, at the same time you will also be feeding familes in the US, China, Japan, etc., etc. BTW, last time I checked, Mexico was consideredd part of North America. I think Mexicans and Canadians can be considered "Americans." Of course this brings up the question of what is really the correct term for residents of the United States of America so as to avoid being confused with residents o North, Central, and South America. The US Government has actively encouraged US companies to set up shop in Mexico. If you don't like the practice, you should write your Congress person. Ed
From: Tom Adams on 5 Mar 2010 10:13 On Mar 5, 7:53 am, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On 4 Mar 2010 22:12:54 -0500, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: > > > > > > >john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar > >>to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden > >>unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of > >>lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. > > >ALL car manufacturers consider this proprietary information. You're lucky > >that they even use the standard OBD-II codes and they wouldn't even do that > >if the government didn't require them. > > >ANY information beyond the standard codes is proprietary. Many people have > >reverse engineered the data for a lot of cars and so you can get historical > >data with many scanners, but the actual interrogation codes are proprietary > >because people could... horrors... use them to actually fix cars without > >taking them to the dealer. > > >Next thing you know you'll be asking them to make ECM source code public.. > >--scott > > Looks like nobody here saw the discussion during the Congressional > hearings about this. > This issue was raised, and the Toyota reps were promising to send more > laptops to the U.S. Even gave numbers. > > http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hcIYhXE9h4CnUkhDIQr... > > "Until this week, there was only a single laptop in the U.S. > containing the software needed to read the data following a crash." > > The AP article makes clear that anyone who wants to can download black > box data from GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Nissan. > That means anybody reading this. I don't know the cost, but the means > is readily available to anyone. > Not true for Toyota, and you need a court order to read Honda black > boxes! > Jesus, anybody is entitled to their opinion, but there is only one set > of facts. > Read the facts, and comment on them. Don't make up our own facts. > That's a general comment, not aimed at you, Scott. > > --Vic- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Getting an EDR read from your local accident reconstruction firm cost about $500 plus travel costs. That is, for certain makes where the readers are available.
From: Tom Adams on 5 Mar 2010 10:18
On Mar 4, 9:42 pm, john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! > > Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was > practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not > stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that > emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal. > > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar > to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden > unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of > lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. > > Full article at:http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-12944... Toyota's EDRs probably are lousy. The main reason for car makers putting in an EDR in the first place was for accident analysis to avoid liability and sort our fact from fiction. The fact that Toyota has had trouble doing this for the accelerator problem is evidence of lack of useful data in the EDR. Its not like Toyota can't read the black box in their own cars. |