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From: fred on 7 Mar 2010 17:49 john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com: > That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! > > Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was > practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not > stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that > emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal. > > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar > to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden > unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of > lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. > > Full article at: > http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-1294427 > 692.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode= > What? you mean air bag data and/or ECU information? The former would tend to explain the circumstances, It certainly is used by police without any difficulties over here. If Toyota is somehow trying to say that any data existing on a product they don't onw is somehow *their's*, I appreciate it. I haven't seen something so outrageously nonsensical in years. ECU information would only be of interest to people who *build* and repair such systems of course. I'm not going to send the source code for windows 7 to someone who simply can't shut their computer down. It's a wasted effort and the person simply would have no idea what to do with it. This idea that somehow Toyota controls all this information without any method of getting it without Toyota changing their mind on their own without any other possible cause is also pure nonsence. It sounds like this is lottle more that a journalist trying to specuate on things they know nothing about. All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to sell cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the model to the market." It may very well already be true.
From: Scott Dorsey on 7 Mar 2010 18:02 >All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to sell >cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit >diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the >model to the market." It may very well already be true. I would love to see this happen. Not only that, I'd love to see it be required for _all_ electronic products. It won't, mind you. But if it were done, first of all you would see it would encourage innovation, and secondly you would see a number of Asian importers shipping out incorrect information. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Pete C. on 7 Mar 2010 19:36 Scott Dorsey wrote: > > >All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to sell > >cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit > >diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the > >model to the market." It may very well already be true. > > I would love to see this happen. Not only that, I'd love to see it be > required for _all_ electronic products. Actually, at least one state has a law requiring that schematics and the like be available for all electronic products sold in the state. Even with that law, manufacturers will still ignore it until you actually sue them.
From: Scott Dorsey on 7 Mar 2010 20:00 Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4(a)snet.net> wrote: >Scott Dorsey wrote: >> >> >All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to sell >> >cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit >> >diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the >> >model to the market." It may very well already be true. >> >> I would love to see this happen. Not only that, I'd love to see it be >> required for _all_ electronic products. > >Actually, at least one state has a law requiring that schematics and the >like be available for all electronic products sold in the state. Even >with that law, manufacturers will still ignore it until you actually sue >them. What state is that? That is a law I would like to see more of. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Pete C. on 7 Mar 2010 21:41
Scott Dorsey wrote: > > Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4(a)snet.net> wrote: > >Scott Dorsey wrote: > >> > >> >All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to sell > >> >cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit > >> >diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the > >> >model to the market." It may very well already be true. > >> > >> I would love to see this happen. Not only that, I'd love to see it be > >> required for _all_ electronic products. > > > >Actually, at least one state has a law requiring that schematics and the > >like be available for all electronic products sold in the state. Even > >with that law, manufacturers will still ignore it until you actually sue > >them. > > What state is that? That is a law I would like to see more of. > --scott > > -- > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Connecticut. I don't recall the exact statute, I looked it up once and it does indeed exist. |