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From: Christopher A.Lee on 5 May 2007 09:51 On Sat, 05 May 2007 08:37:07 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote: >As I understand it, on Fri, 04 May 2007 19:12:30 -0400, Christopher >A.Lee <calee(a)optonline.net> wrote: > >>On Fri, 04 May 2007 18:06:28 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf(a)gmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>>As I understand it, on Fri, 4 May 2007 10:37:06 +1000, "Jeckyl" >>><noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>>"Kent Wills" <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:hatk331kpodcvs6mel0a1gmeklc6rq8qo8(a)4ax.com... >>>>> As I understand it, on Fri, 4 May 2007 03:14:47 +1000, "Jeckyl" >>>>> <noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof(a)jonez.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I will gladly show that your pig-ignorant grotesque >>>>>>>>> perverted superstition that you call christianity is >>>>>>>>> utterly false. >>>>>> >>>>>>Please present this proof. >>>>>> >>>>> I've been asking for proof that atheism is correct for a very >>>>> long time. >>>> >>>>Easy .. >>>> >>>>The theist position is to know that god exists >>> >>> To claim to KNOW is to claim to have proof. No sane person >>>would claim to KNOW there is a god. >>> I do believe, but freely admit I can't prove that God exists. >> >>Then you're an agnostic theist. > > If so, everyone who believes in a deity would fall under the >term agnostic theist, since there is no way to prove any deity exists. The honest ones say that. The dishonest ones tell atheists we're really agnostic because there is no way to prove they don't - even though we can for the logically impossible ones. Even though we haven't got anything to be agnostic about. It expands the word into meaninglessness and applies equally to them. >>>>The atheist position is to not know that god exists >>> >>> That's an agnostic's position. >> >>No, because it's not even part of their world view. > > Agnostics don't know if there is or is not a god. Why don't they say exactly the same thing about all the other beliefs they don't have? >> >>>>There is no proof that god exists >>> >>> Exactly. It's a belief. >> >>Somebody else's belief. The demands for proof are when they beg the >>question by rudely and stupidly talking about it to people outside >>their religion. Basically "put up or shut up". But they have neither >>the integrity nor the courtesy to do either. > > I freely admit I can't prove the existence of God. I can >point to aspects of my life that support the idea that God does exist, >but it's not PROOF. Then you shouldn't beg the question to people who don't believe what you do. It's as simple as that. >> >>>>We cannot conclude that god exists or does not exist >>>>Gods existance is unknown >>>>The atheist position is correct >>>> >>> >>> That's not the atheist position. You've done a GREAT job of >>>explaining the agnostic position. >> >>Only in the ignorant imagination of people who don't know what an >>atheist is. > > Whereas ignorance is nothing more than a lack of knowledge. >Everyone is ignorant. Your attempt to insult me has failed. What "attempt to insult" you? But it's more than that. Very few theists can accept correction when they get atheists wrong. Far too many lecture us on what it "really" means to us to be atheist, citing cherry-picked definitions from dictionaries that also carry more accurate ones. They don't seem to understand just how nasty this is. The root of the problem is that they filter what they are told, through religion-tinted glasses and attempt to describe us from presumptions that only apply inside their religion when we're outside it.
From: Christopher A.Lee on 5 May 2007 10:02 On Sat, 05 May 2007 08:47:51 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote: >As I understand it, on Fri, 04 May 2007 19:09:32 -0800, DanielSan ><daniel-san(a)myrealbox.com> wrote: > >[snips for brevity] > >>> That's the SECONDARY definition. I notice you left out the PRIMARY >>> definition. >> >>There's no such thing as a "primary" or "secondary" definition. > > Modern dictionaries would disagree with you. It's why they are numbered. But no matter how many believers insist otherwise, there is only one accurate definition for atheists. It's the label that describes our position. So the accurate definition is the one that gets our position right. Theists think it's one thing because they filter it through their religion, using presumptions that don't even apply outside their religion. Atheists are outside the religion and know it's something else.
From: Jeckyl on 5 May 2007 10:03 Martin Phipps >>On May 5, 7:30 am, Kent Wills <compu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> As I understand it, on Thu, 3 May 2007 20:16:21 -0600, "� UltraMan �" >>> >>> <u...(a)man.jp> wrote: >>> >Meta wrote: >>> >> On May 3, 7:07 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...(a)jonez.net> wrote: >>> >>> tjab wrote: >>> >>>> In article <59srujF2l7n0...(a)mid.individual.net>, >>> >>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ <thep...(a)jonez.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> Kent Wills wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>> Where's the proof that atheism is correct? Why do you run and >>> >>>>>> hide when I ask about it? >>> >>> >>>>> I will gladly show that your pig-ignorant grotesque >>> >>>>> perverted superstition that you call christianity is >>> >>>>> utterly false. >> >>Hey! What did you snip here?! >> >>> >> Those are some pretty harsh accusations - a superstition, huh? >>> >>> >Irrefutably. >>> >>> Then explain why you run away when asked to prove it. >> >>It's been proven time and time again that your god is a mythological >>character no different from Zeus or Amun-Ra. Has it .. where? >>Just do google searches >>for "Elohim" and "Annuaki" and note the similarly between your >>religion and ancient Sumerian beliefs. That doesn't necessarily make it false >> Sumerian mythology inspired >>all of Western mythology, including Judeo-Christianity. Thus Judeo- >>Christianity is a set of mythological beliefs Your assertion .. that seesm to be a circulr proof. >> no different than >>ancient Greek or Egyptian mythological beliefs. QED That doesn't necessarily make it false
From: Jeckyl on 5 May 2007 10:05 "Kent Wills" <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ro2p33hi0fdb9lnpbtocvck31gq70pr839(a)4ax.com... > As I understand it, on Sat, 5 May 2007 13:12:07 +1000, "Jeckyl" > <noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > >>"Kent Wills" <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:80fn33htcpv4ar4e8nqpoa8397u3635qa3(a)4ax.com... >>> As I understand it, on Fri, 4 May 2007 10:37:06 +1000, "Jeckyl" >>> <noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>>"Kent Wills" <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:hatk331kpodcvs6mel0a1gmeklc6rq8qo8(a)4ax.com... >>>>> As I understand it, on Fri, 4 May 2007 03:14:47 +1000, "Jeckyl" >>>>> <noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof(a)jonez.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I will gladly show that your pig-ignorant grotesque >>>>>>>>> perverted superstition that you call christianity is >>>>>>>>> utterly false. >>>>>> >>>>>>Please present this proof. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've been asking for proof that atheism is correct for a very >>>>> long time. >>>> >>>>Easy .. >>>> >>>>The theist position is to know that god exists >>> >>> To claim to KNOW is to claim to have proof. No sane person >>> would claim to KNOW there is a god. >> >>I wasn't talking about sane people, I was talking about theists > > Some of the most sane people you'll find. There are > exceptions, of course. > >> >>> I do believe, but freely admit I can't prove that God exists. >>>>The atheist position is to not know that god exists >>> That's an agnostic's position. >> >>Agnostics are atheists, not all atheits are agnostic though > > Agnostics simply state they don't know. Yes (due to lack of evidence), and that makes them atheist because they do not belief god exists. >>>>There is no proof that god exists >>> Exactly. It's a belief. >>Mor particularly, it is a belief without evidence / proof > If there was proof, they wouldn't believe, but rather, they > would know. The would believe AND know >>>>We cannot conclude that god exists or does not exist >>>>Gods existance is unknown >>>>The atheist position is correct >>> That's not the atheist position. You've done a GREAT job of >>> explaining the agnostic position. >>Which is also the atheist position .. you are confusing atheist with the >>subset "strong-atheist", who not only have a lack of theism (ie no belief >>in >>gods) but also a belief that gods to not exists. > Perhaps I have. :)
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