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From: Adrian on 19 Aug 2006 17:26 Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> So an Ethiopean or a Nigerian isn't an African? >> A Brazilian or an Argentinian isn't a South American? >> A German or an Italian isn't a European? > None of this is relevant. Of course it is. It's an absolutely analogous situation. How do YOU think it differs? >> Or is this just a personal thing, and you somehow opted >> out? > I was never asked to opt in. Hadn't you had your 18th birthday by 5th June 1975?
From: Adrian on 19 Aug 2006 17:28 Ivor Jones (ivor(a)despammed.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >> > > What does the front cover of your passport say? >> > I'll tell you what it doesn't say - European Citizen. >> Who ever said it did? >> >> Are you claiming it doesn't say "European" on it at all? > It says European Union. Which unless I'm mistaken is a political > organisation, not a definition of status. On the page with my photo on > it says British Citizen. Right. And Britain is a member of the EU. Therefore, you're a citizen of a member state of the European Union - a European. And that's even before you consider the rather unambiguous geography.
From: Paul {Hamilton Rooney} on 19 Aug 2006 17:29 On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:06:04 +0100, "Ivor Jones" <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: >"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig(a)oil.com> wrote in message >news:q6uee2hvppmduh5aiguucpfiks2vesvko1(a)4ax.com >> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:29:07 +0100, "Ivor Jones" >> <ivor(a)despammed.invalid> wrote: >> >> > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:v5qdnZ-vQubz6XrZRVnyiw(a)bt.com >> > > Ivor Jones wrote: >> > >> > [snip] >> > >> > > > I am not a European. >> > > >> > > Oh yes you are! >> > >> > Wrong. >> > >> > Ivor >> > >> >> Who are you to define what you are or are not? That's not >> up to you, feller. It's up to everyone else. > >Wrong. Nobody else has the right to define me in any way, shape or form. >When you understand that, I will stop. Why would I want you to stop? You are what you are. And what you are, as far as terminology is concerned, is determined by usage (see earlier remarks). It's nothing to do with rights - it's just what happens. If you are a bore, this is not because you define yourself as a bore, but because that's how other people regard you. -- Paul Rooney "Rooney is one of these vandals and has done his utmost to help trash dl and the other groups which he regularly crossposts to. He's created a false FAQ and charter" (Chris Lawrence in uk.rec.walking) "Also long time d.l. reader but never feel robust enough to post much, especially since Rooney wrecked the group." (Rachel Sullivan in uk.rec.walking) "Low life scum doesn't even begin to describe you. You are the most loathsome individual ever to cross the threshold of d.l." (JK in demon.local)
From: Mike Lindsay on 19 Aug 2006 17:27 In article <ko6dnamBX4KmsXvZRVnysg(a)brightview.com>, PC Paul <urd(a)munge.org.uk> writes >Tony Raven wrote: >> Alex Heney wrote on 18/08/2006 21:40 +0100: >>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:58:04 GMT, JAF <anarchSPAMKILLER(a)ntlworld.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:07:41 +0100, Paul {Hamilton Rooney} >>>> <craig(a)oil.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It meant a fixed thing or place. >>>> Post (stick in the ground) and post (mail) have different origins. >>> >>> And "undertake" (to take upon oneself), "undertake" (to carry out >>> funerals) and "undertake" (to pass on the "wrong" side) all have >>> different origins. >> >> But only the first two are recognised by the OED. > >If you want something with a *lot* of meanings, look at 'set' > > Frog and dog are pretty good too. -- Mike Lindsay
From: Mike Lindsay on 19 Aug 2006 17:26
In article <5puae29gt069qtdtitvhb6plah2mh1kpo8(a)4ax.com>, Paul {Hamilton Rooney} <craig(a)oil.com> writes >On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 03:13:21 GMT, JAF <anarchSPAMKILLER(a)ntlworld.com> >wrote: > >>On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:34:47 +0100, Alex Heney <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:41:20 GMT, JAF <anarchSPAMKILLER(a)ntlworld.com> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:33:17 +0100, Alex Heney <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:47:20 GMT, JAF <anarchSPAMKILLER(a)ntlworld.com> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:23:45 +0100, "DieSea" >>>>>><DieSea.NoSpamPlease(a)ntlworldd.ccom> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Then he tied to over take me on the inside lane >>>>>>> >>>>>>How pleased I am to see someone say 'overtake on the inside', rather than >>>>>>the utterly, utterly *wrong* usage of 'undertake'. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Any concept of an idea as to why you think it is "wrong"? >>>>> >>>>>It has become accepted usage. That is how languages evolve. >>>> >>>>So? >>> >>>So why do you claim it is "wrong"? >> >>Because 'undertake' already has a distinct meaning which has nothing to do >>with motoring. >> >>But, if you like, I'll restate my original post. > > >'Post'? 'Post' already had a distinct meaning long before it referred to >messages, electronic orotherwise. > > > Several meanings, smarrah o fact. -- Mike Lindsay |