Monbiot on speed cameras and the real war
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From: JNugent on 30 Jul 2010 11:33 Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:02:15 +0100, JNugent wrote: > >> IOW, road tax (where charged) is a charge for the use of the roads. > > no, its a *tax* on those who use powered vehicles on the roads The tax does not fall on individuals using the road. There are eight million far-fetched descriptions designed to deflect attention from the fact that road tax is a charge for the use of a vehicle on the road and yours was one of them.
From: Derek C on 30 Jul 2010 11:34 On Jul 30, 4:21 pm, Tony Raven <tra...(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote: > Ret. wrote: > > > Why is there not a single country (apart from the IoM, whose roads > > militate against speeding anyway) who has abandoned speed limits in > > favour of allowing motorists to choose their own safe speed? > Germany has never had official speed limits on its Autobahns, although there are advisory ones. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn
From: Ret. on 30 Jul 2010 11:36 GT wrote: > "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:13j8blsop0n2t$.2l18309fl5f1$.dlg(a)40tude.net... >> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:36:09 +0100, GT wrote: >> >>> The drink drive limit is a certain number of mg per litre of blood. >>> If you >>> are over the limit, then you are booked, pointed and fined. Why is >>> the speed >>> limit considered less rigid? Is it because most people consider it >>> to be too >>> low? Is it that most people don't notice that they are speeding? If >>> the speed limit was increased from 30 to 33, then everyone booked >>> who broke it >>> by even 1mph, would there be an outcry? If the limit is 30, then >>> why is 32 >>> considered OK? Why have a limit? Discuss?!! ;-) >> >> both limits make allowances for small trangressions, one drink, a >> couple of >> miles an hour. The speed limit could be 25, 30 or 33 1/3, but there >> needs to be a town limit around that point. Just because it could >> be 31 instead of 30 invalidates nothing. > > But why do we consider it OK to go over the limit by a little bit? > (Question for society really). Because the only way that a driver could make absolutely certain that he never exceeded a speed limit by even 1 mph would be for that driver to consistently drive at several mph *below* the limit. -- Kev
From: Adrian on 30 Jul 2010 11:46 Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>> Why is there not a single country (apart from the IoM, whose roads >>>> militate against speeding anyway) who has abandoned speed limits in >>>> favour of allowing motorists to choose their own safe speed? >> Germany has never had official speed limits on its Autobahns, although >> there are advisory ones. > he was talking about the 30 limit . Not if he was talking about the IoM, he wasn't. They have (strictly enforced - but by real live plod) urban limits, just no extra-urban limit.
From: Tony Raven on 30 Jul 2010 11:50
Derek C wrote: > On Jul 30, 4:21 pm, Tony Raven <tra...(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote: >> Ret. wrote: >> >>> Why is there not a single country (apart from the IoM, whose roads >>> militate against speeding anyway) who has abandoned speed limits in >>> favour of allowing motorists to choose their own safe speed? > Germany has never had official speed limits on its Autobahns, although > there are advisory ones. > > See: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn Wrong answer to wrong question in reply to wrong poster. Well done Derek! -- Tony " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." Bertrand Russell |