The fragility of car computers revealed.
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From: Tony Dragon on 23 May 2010 14:15 Doug wrote: > On 23 May, 09:49, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:8add536f-2520-4b07-8034-97f341e2f969(a)z33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... >> >>> On 21 May, 09:59, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:54:07 +0100 >>>> Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable >>>>>>> to attack, say experts. >>>>> And just how do they get access to it, Doug? >>>> Doug seems to forget that his bicycle is vulnerable to a large stick in >>>> the wheel spokes. Beware of those nasty trees doug! >>> Unlike the defective car driver though the cyclist would be unlikely >>> to inure anyone but himself. >> Most car accidents don't injure anyone - they are just minor bumps. Unlike >> most bicycle accidents where people tend to injure hands and knees. >> > They are not euphemistic 'accidents' they are 'crashes'. Car crashes > are far more dangerous than bicycle crashes and kill very many mmore > people. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns. > http://www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. Are you saying these incidents are deliberate? -- Tony Dragon
From: Tony Dragon on 23 May 2010 14:17 Doug wrote: > On 23 May, 15:26, Bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >>> On 23 May, 09:49, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >>>> news:8add536f-2520-4b07-8034-97f341e2f969(a)z33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On 21 May, 09:59, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:54:07 +0100 >>>>>> Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable >>>>>>>>> to attack, say experts. >>>>>>> And just how do they get access to it, Doug? >>>>>> Doug seems to forget that his bicycle is vulnerable to a large stick in >>>>>> the wheel spokes. Beware of those nasty trees doug! >>>>> Unlike the defective car driver though the cyclist would be unlikely >>>>> to inure anyone but himself. >>>> Most car accidents don't injure anyone - they are just minor bumps. Unlike >>>> most bicycle accidents where people tend to injure hands and knees. >>> They are not euphemistic 'accidents' they are 'crashes'. Car crashes >>> are far more dangerous than bicycle crashes and kill very many mmore >>> people. >> > >> >> Change the record Doug. >> > OK how about getting back to the thread title? Have you ever > experienced a computer crash? If so, can you imagine what might happen > with a computer which controls speed and braking, etc? > >>> -- >>> UK Radical Campaigns. >>> http://www.zing.icom43.net >>> A driving licence is a licence to kill. > > Feel free to tell me of a computer that controls braking. Feel free to tell me of a computer that controls braking & doesn't fail on the safe side? -- Tony Dragon
From: Mrcheerful on 23 May 2010 16:14 Phil W Lee wrote: > "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> considered Sun, 23 May 2010 > 16:24:45 +0100 the perfect time to write: > >> Phil W Lee wrote: >>> Marie <marie.lawrie(a)yahoo.co.uk> considered Sat, 22 May 2010 >>> 01:35:54 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: >>> >>>> >>>> Yet again Doug uses the old 'cops are against cyclists, because >>>> cops are car drivers' rubbish. >>> >>> Maybe you should look at some actual statistics before arguing with >>> this one. >>> >>> Then you would see that cyclists are indeed targeted by the police >>> to a degree out of all proportion to the danger they represent to >>> others, where the far more dangerous motorist behaviours are >>> largely ignored. >> >> it is odd, because over the years I have seen several hundred cars, >> vans, lorries and motorcycles stopped by police, but I really cannot >> remember a single cyclist being stopped by a police man. So, yes it >> is anecdotal, but my road experience over many years says that >> cyclists are NOT persecuted by the police as you suggest. >> > Maybe you should make use of the FOI act. presumably you have online access to the figures? URL?
From: The Medway Handyman on 23 May 2010 17:12 Phil W Lee wrote: > "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> considered Sun, 23 May 2010 > 16:24:45 +0100 the perfect time to write: > >> Phil W Lee wrote: >>> Marie <marie.lawrie(a)yahoo.co.uk> considered Sat, 22 May 2010 >>> 01:35:54 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: >>> >>>> >>>> Yet again Doug uses the old 'cops are against cyclists, because >>>> cops are car drivers' rubbish. >>> >>> Maybe you should look at some actual statistics before arguing with >>> this one. >>> >>> Then you would see that cyclists are indeed targeted by the police >>> to a degree out of all proportion to the danger they represent to >>> others, where the far more dangerous motorist behaviours are >>> largely ignored. >> >> it is odd, because over the years I have seen several hundred cars, >> vans, lorries and motorcycles stopped by police, but I really cannot >> remember a single cyclist being stopped by a police man. So, yes it >> is anecdotal, but my road experience over many years says that >> cyclists are NOT persecuted by the police as you suggest. >> > Maybe you should make use of the FOI act. Maybe you should stop making things up you fuckwit. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport.
From: The Medway Handyman on 23 May 2010 17:13
Mrcheerful wrote: > Phil W Lee wrote: >> "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> considered Sun, 23 May 2010 >> 16:24:45 +0100 the perfect time to write: >> >>> Phil W Lee wrote: >>>> Marie <marie.lawrie(a)yahoo.co.uk> considered Sat, 22 May 2010 >>>> 01:35:54 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yet again Doug uses the old 'cops are against cyclists, because >>>>> cops are car drivers' rubbish. >>>> >>>> Maybe you should look at some actual statistics before arguing with >>>> this one. >>>> >>>> Then you would see that cyclists are indeed targeted by the police >>>> to a degree out of all proportion to the danger they represent to >>>> others, where the far more dangerous motorist behaviours are >>>> largely ignored. >>> >>> it is odd, because over the years I have seen several hundred cars, >>> vans, lorries and motorcycles stopped by police, but I really cannot >>> remember a single cyclist being stopped by a police man. So, yes it >>> is anecdotal, but my road experience over many years says that >>> cyclists are NOT persecuted by the police as you suggest. >>> >> Maybe you should make use of the FOI act. > > presumably you have online access to the figures? URL? He never does. This is the fuckwit who claimed cyclists outnumbered motorists remember? -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |