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From: delboy on 15 Mar 2010 10:21 On 15 Mar, 13:31, Clive George <cl...(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > On 15/03/2010 13:25, delboy wrote: > > > You can just about tow a single seater glider trailer with a medium > > sized car such as a 306. However larger vehicles give better towing > > stability, better traction and better braking. It is recommended that > > trailers should not exceed 85% of the kerb weight of the towing > > vehicle, and there are also Maximum All-up Mass (MAM) limitations. > > That is you can't tow a heavy trailer whilst also carrying 5 heavy > > adults and all their luggage. > > Two points : > > 1) And how often do you do that? > > 2) How much of that would be doable with a heavier yet still economical > normal car? eg your C5. To answer your questions: 1) Several times a year, although it depends on how often I land out, or visit other gliding clubs with my glider. 2) Most of what I need is doable in my Diesel C5, which averages 50 mpg BTW. It also has height adjustable, self levelling suspension which is often useful for getting down rutted muddy farm tracks, and one of the reasons why I chose to buy it. However it has got bogged down a couple of times, so I may buy a 4x4 the next time. Fortunately my area does not have special 4x4 congestion charges or parking fees (Nu Labour 'spite taxes'). Derek C
From: Adrian on 15 Mar 2010 10:24 delboy <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Fortunately my area does not have special 4x4 congestion charges or > parking fees Can you provide evidence of ANYWHERE that does?
From: Clive George on 15 Mar 2010 10:52 On 15/03/2010 14:21, delboy wrote: > On 15 Mar, 13:31, Clive George<cl...(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: >> On 15/03/2010 13:25, delboy wrote: >> >>> You can just about tow a single seater glider trailer with a medium >>> sized car such as a 306. However larger vehicles give better towing >>> stability, better traction and better braking. It is recommended that >>> trailers should not exceed 85% of the kerb weight of the towing >>> vehicle, and there are also Maximum All-up Mass (MAM) limitations. >>> That is you can't tow a heavy trailer whilst also carrying 5 heavy >>> adults and all their luggage. >> >> Two points : >> >> 1) And how often do you do that? >> >> 2) How much of that would be doable with a heavier yet still economical >> normal car? eg your C5. > > To answer your questions: > > 1) Several times a year, although it depends on how often I land out, > or visit other gliding clubs with my glider. Isn't it generally regarded as a bit of a cockup to land in a field? Something you really shouldn't be doing at all regularly. > 2) Most of what I need is doable in my Diesel C5, which averages 50 > mpg BTW. It also has height adjustable, self levelling suspension > which is often useful for getting down rutted muddy farm tracks, and > one of the reasons why I chose to buy it. However it has got bogged > down a couple of times, so I may buy a 4x4 the next time. Your choice. If you want to spend a fair amount more for the pleasure of a couple of trips down a track, you're allowed to. Just don't whinge about that extra cost if you do decided to do that. (BTW do you realise you're arguing with a pair of Citroen fans, so telling us about C5 suspension ain't really news?)
From: delboy on 15 Mar 2010 11:07 On 15 Mar, 14:52, Clive George <cl...(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > > Isn't it generally regarded as a bit of a cockup to land in a field? > Something you really shouldn't be doing at all regularly. Staying airborne in a glider depends on there being rising air (thermals etc). Sometimes due to cloud cover, or a change of airmass, the thermals stop working and then the only way is down! If there is not an airfield nearby it has to be a farmer's field. Derek C
From: Clive George on 15 Mar 2010 12:03
On 15/03/2010 15:07, delboy wrote: > On 15 Mar, 14:52, Clive George<cl...(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Isn't it generally regarded as a bit of a cockup to land in a field? >> Something you really shouldn't be doing at all regularly. > > Staying airborne in a glider depends on there being rising air > (thermals etc). Sometimes due to cloud cover, or a change of airmass, > the thermals stop working and then the only way is down! If there is > not an airfield nearby it has to be a farmer's field. Yes, I know that. That doesn't affect what I said - isn't it regarded as being a bit of a cockup if you do have to do that? Certainly the glider instructor I know was a bit disparaging of people who did. How often do you put it in a field? |