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From: Big Les Wade on 12 Mar 2010 11:38 JMS <jmsmith2010(a)live.co.uk> posted >Excellent news. > >However - it is the cyclist who should be licensed - not the bike. >Compulsory training. >Compulsory test. >Compulsory license. >Compulsory wearing of hi-viz slip over with registration number >visible. >Break the law - get points. >Ride a bike below a certain spec - get points. >So many points - lose license. Must take retest. > >Looking forward to it. How many new criminal offences do you think will have to be created to make the scheme workable? I calculate at least eight. And have you done an impact assessment for the enforcement costs? No? -- Les Criticising the government is not illegal, but often on investigation turns out to be linked to serious offences.
From: Biggles on 12 Mar 2010 12:12 On 12/03/2010 15:48, JMS wrote: > On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:01:08 +0000, Biggles > <news(a)packaging.the-shillings.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > >> Marie wrote: >>> Looks like the IOM might have the right idea. >>> >>> ALL bicycles ridden by those over 16 should be licenced, Castletown >>> Commissioners believe. >>> >>> See >>> >>> http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/Call-for-bicycles-to-be.6132083.jp >>> >>> Marie >> >> Can't see any logical reason why it shouldn't apply to all bicycles, not >> just those ridden by over 16s. Ah, but that might inconvenience the >> narrow-minded individuals proposing the legislation? >> >> Still, forcing all tax payers to subsidise each bicycle licence to the >> tune of �20 sounds like fun. >> > > > It does not actually say that. > > I think that is should be totally self financing. > > If it costs 30 quid per cycle - then that should be the cost of the > licence. > The text of the web page which the posted link referred to DOES actually say that: 'They should have to have a licence. If I have a road licence to drive my car, why shouldn't they? It should be �10 a go.' Commissioner Richard Ronan said: 'It will cost �30 to administer, but it is still worthwhile.' Owners of cars in the lowest emissions group pay nothing for their vehicle licence - i.e. they don't have to cover the admin costs - so I don't see how it can be argued that owners of cycles should have to cover the full cost of administration. Biggles
From: Ian Smith on 12 Mar 2010 12:39 On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:07:56 -0000, Brimstone <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > "Ian Smith" <ian(a)astounding.org.uk> wrote in message > news:slrnhpkguo.3df.ian(a)acheron.astounding.org.uk... > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:39:26 GMT, Mrcheerful <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >> Brimstone wrote: > >> > "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in > >> > message news:z1bmn.49446$Ym4.36200(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... > >> >> Shaun wrote: > >> > > >> >>> You are aware that everybody who pays taxes funds the roads and the > >> >>> only people who have any right to use the highway are pedestrians, > >> >>> horse rider and cyclists ? > >> >> > >> >> More old bollox. Cyclists do not pay a 'specific' tax to use the > >> >> roads fuckwit - motorists do. > >> >> > >> > Let me rephrase that for you. Most road users do not pay a 'specific' > >> > tax to use the roads fuckwit - motorists are the only ones that do. > >> > > >> > So to clarify, pedestrians, horse riders/drivers, herders and drovers > >> > of animals, cycle riders, operators/drivers of historic vehicles > >> > constructed before 1 January 1973, electric vehicles, mowing > >> > machines, steam-powered vehicles, agricultural, horticultural and > >> > forestry vehicles and vehicles used by disabled drivers do not pay a > >> > specific tax to use the roads. Which just leaves the exception to the > >> > rule, normal everyday motorists. The rule being that no one pays a > >> > specific tax to use the public highway. > >> > >> you forgot one: cars that emit less than 100g of co2 per km. (or > >> something > >> like that) > > > > Don't fire engines based at an airport also get away without paying > > VED? > > > VED is only payable by vehicles using the public highway and airfields are > private property. How are such fire appliances "getting away with it"? They don't pay VED even if they do travel on public highways. Or, conversely, they can travel on the public highway even if they have not paid VED. regards, Ian SMith -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \|
From: Brimstone on 12 Mar 2010 14:52 "Ian Smith" <ian(a)astounding.org.uk> wrote in message news:slrnhpkv21.42h.ian(a)acheron.astounding.org.uk... > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:07:56 -0000, Brimstone <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >> "Ian Smith" <ian(a)astounding.org.uk> wrote in message >> news:slrnhpkguo.3df.ian(a)acheron.astounding.org.uk... >> > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:39:26 GMT, Mrcheerful <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> >> > wrote: >> >> Brimstone wrote: >> >> > "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >> >> > message news:z1bmn.49446$Ym4.36200(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... >> >> >> Shaun wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>> You are aware that everybody who pays taxes funds the roads and >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> only people who have any right to use the highway are pedestrians, >> >> >>> horse rider and cyclists ? >> >> >> >> >> >> More old bollox. Cyclists do not pay a 'specific' tax to use the >> >> >> roads fuckwit - motorists do. >> >> >> >> >> > Let me rephrase that for you. Most road users do not pay a >> >> > 'specific' >> >> > tax to use the roads fuckwit - motorists are the only ones that do. >> >> > >> >> > So to clarify, pedestrians, horse riders/drivers, herders and >> >> > drovers >> >> > of animals, cycle riders, operators/drivers of historic vehicles >> >> > constructed before 1 January 1973, electric vehicles, mowing >> >> > machines, steam-powered vehicles, agricultural, horticultural and >> >> > forestry vehicles and vehicles used by disabled drivers do not pay a >> >> > specific tax to use the roads. Which just leaves the exception to >> >> > the >> >> > rule, normal everyday motorists. The rule being that no one pays a >> >> > specific tax to use the public highway. >> >> >> >> you forgot one: cars that emit less than 100g of co2 per km. (or >> >> something >> >> like that) >> > >> > Don't fire engines based at an airport also get away without paying >> > VED? >> > >> VED is only payable by vehicles using the public highway and airfields >> are >> private property. How are such fire appliances "getting away with it"? > > They don't pay VED even if they do travel on public highways. Or, > conversely, they can travel on the public highway even if they have > not paid VED. > As can farm vehicles, but only over short distances between one site and another. (The definition of "short" varies between the individual farmer and the authorities.)
From: Ian Smith on 12 Mar 2010 15:47
["Followup-To:" header set to uk.rec.cycling.] On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:52:34 -0000, Brimstone <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > "Ian Smith" <ian(a)astounding.org.uk> wrote in message > news:slrnhpkv21.42h.ian(a)acheron.astounding.org.uk... > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:07:56 -0000, Brimstone <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> "Ian Smith" <ian(a)astounding.org.uk> wrote in message > >> news:slrnhpkguo.3df.ian(a)acheron.astounding.org.uk... > >> > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:39:26 GMT, Mrcheerful <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> > >> > wrote: > >> >> Brimstone wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > So to clarify, pedestrians, horse riders/drivers, herders > >> >> > and drovers of animals, cycle riders, operators/drivers of > >> >> > historic vehicles constructed before 1 January 1973, > >> >> > electric vehicles, mowing machines, steam-powered vehicles, > >> >> > agricultural, horticultural and forestry vehicles and > >> >> > vehicles used by disabled drivers do not pay a specific tax > >> >> > to use the roads. Which just leaves the exception to the > >> >> > rule, normal everyday motorists. The rule being that no one > >> >> > pays a specific tax to use the public highway. > >> >> > >> >> you forgot one: cars that emit less than 100g of co2 per km. > >> >> (or something like that) > >> > > >> > Don't fire engines based at an airport also get away without paying > >> > VED? > >> > > >> VED is only payable by vehicles using the public highway and > >> airfields are private property. How are such fire appliances > >> "getting away with it"? > > > > They don't pay VED even if they do travel on public highways. Or, > > conversely, they can travel on the public highway even if they > > have not paid VED. > > > As can farm vehicles, but only over short distances between one > site and another. (The definition of "short" varies between the > individual farmer and the authorities.) Indeed, and you had agricultural vehicles in your list, but you didn't include airport fire engines, which is yet another class of road user that does not require VED. I don't know why you're going on about it so - I'M AGREEING WITH YOU. I supplied yet another class of road user that does not pay VED. It was in support of your posting. Why so shirty about it? -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |