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From: JNugent on 13 Dec 2009 17:01 MasonS(a)BP.com wrote: > [ ... ] If you add on <long list of made-up numbers> and many, > many other costs to society, the amount of tax taken from the average > driver does in no way pay for even a half of the entire cost to > society. The last time I checked it was about 25% of the cost. I'll not make too much of your category error there. Let it suffice to remark that even on your unsupported figure, it would only take four drivers to pay the whole of these alleged "costs" to society. And that's before you add in the benefits to society.
From: MasonS on 13 Dec 2009 17:16 On 13 Dec, 21:59, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: > On 13 Dec, 21:53, "Mas...(a)BP.com" <Mas...(a)BP.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 13 Dec, 21:31, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > > > > Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: > > > > JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > > > >> Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: > > > >>> Like I said before, which he conveniently ignored. A multi millionaire > > > >>> cyclist could pay more in VAT on his new yacht than the Medway > > > >>> Highwayman will ever pay in taxes in his whole life. That's a low > > > >>> estimate. > > > >> That last factette is possibly, perhaps even probably, true. > > > >> What's its relevance? > > > > It means that he would have paid vastly more to the Govt tax pot that > > > > pays for the roads, than the Medway Highwayman would pay in all of his > > > > taxes in his lifetime. However, if Medway Man happens to meet said > > > > cycling millionaire on the roads, he will instantly *assume* that > > > > because he has a "tax disc" in his window, he therefore has the right > > > > to be on the road, but the millionaire lacking said bit of paper is a > > > > freeloading sponger, when the exact opposite is true. That's how > > > > narrow (but sadly typical) his viewpoint is. > > > > You see, I think his problem lies with an attitude by which some people > > > systematically seek to deny that the owners, operators and drivers/riders of > > > motor vehicles ("motorists" for short) pay a lot of extra taxes (extra to all > > > the other taxes one might pay) levied on vehicle use which are not levied on > > > other people and other activities. This denial seems to be adhered to in an > > > effort to "prove" that motorists somehow don't pay for roads, and that they > > > pay (in motoring taxes) several times more than is expended on the roads is > > > somehow unconnected with the roads. > > > > You can see his problem, surely? Do you think that "proving" that he (and > > > other drivers) don't pay for roads handsomely with knobs on is some sort of > > > clever contribution to debate?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > If you add on enviromental damage, the vast costs incurred by the NHS > > to treat accident victims, days off sick due to motoring injuries, > > noise pollution, diseases caused by air pollution, reduced quality of > > life caused by nearby roads and the attendant traffic, the cost of the > > emergency services tied up with enforcing traffic laws and scraping > > dead bodies off the road, the loss of a main breadwinner and many, > > many other costs to society, the amount of tax taken from the average > > driver does in no way pay for even a half of the entire cost to > > society. The last time I checked it was about 25% of the cost. > > -- > > Simon Mason > > More makee uppee numbers, care to post a breakdown of the costs?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I knew you would ask that. I'm knocking off work now so will find it tomorrow.
From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 17:59 Peter Grange wrote: > I was responding to "Cyclists don't pay VED". I am a cyclist, I pay > VED. The End. Not to use your push bike on the road you don't. Fuckwit. -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 18:03 Adrian wrote: > "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled > happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >> A multi millionaire cyclist still wouldn't have to pay a 'specific' >> fee before being able to use his cycle on a public road though would >> he? > > If it makes you any happier, perhaps you ought to buy this van - you > could then use the roads yourself, for work, without paying any VED or > fuel duty. Perfectly legally. > > http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/80500342.htm If I lived in France I might. Are you trying out for idiot of the year? -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: The Medway Handyman on 13 Dec 2009 18:04
MasonS(a)BP.com wrote: > On 13 Dec, 16:18, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled >> happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> >>> A multi millionaire cyclist still wouldn't have to pay a 'specific' >>> fee before being able to use his cycle on a public road though >>> would he? >> >> If it makes you any happier, perhaps you ought to buy this van - you >> could then use the roads yourself, for work, without paying any VED >> or fuel duty. Perfectly legally. >> >> http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/80500342.htm > > I'd buy the bloody thing for him out of my own pocket, just to hear of > him driving around Kent having paid no "road tax". I wouldn't want it though. I have no problem paying my way. Unlike freeloading cyclists. -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist |