The horrors of biofuels.
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From: ash on 29 Apr 2010 06:18 On 29 Apr, 11:00, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ash <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they > were saying: > > > Had it occured to you that there are plenty of disabilities which > > exclude the use of a bicycle, or moped, or electric moped or anything > > which requires the ability to balance on two wheels ? > > Probably the vast majority, in fact. > > When you include an inability to walk even short distances, it becomes an > even smaller number. A friend of mine has Cerebal Palsy. He finds walking excruciatingly painful - even from one side of a room to another. He has very poor balance. He drives a car, but would really struggle to get on a train - let alone dragging a heavy E-bike on it with him. You need to be fairly fit to lift one of these bikes on and off a train, so how would he manage with the hinderance of mixing modes given he cwalks with crutches ?
From: Doug on 29 Apr 2010 07:50 On 29 Apr, 11:15, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:4ff4eccd-dfde-4132-b997-2179a0e299e1(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 29 Apr, 09:13, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > >>news:e7eddec5-97e0-4f99-85ca-821c5f6421c3(a)o14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.... > > >> > On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: > > >> >> > Even my electric bike > >> >> > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make > >> >> > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated > >> >> > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. > > >> >> > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the > >> >> > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric > >> >> > bicycle > >> >> > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to > >> >> > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred > >> >> > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban > >> >> > environments." > > >> >> >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm > > >> >> > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, > >> >> > 10 miles in an urban environment? > > >> >> I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. > > >> >> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org-enjoythe ride > > >> > Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on > >> > cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when faced > >> > with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can > >> > put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. > > >> How is the electricity for this electric bike generated Doug? > > No answer Doug? > Previously dealt with. The energy consumption is so low as to be insignificant but could be catered for by solar cells and a small wind generator if allowed by a local council. Also, it is vastly preferable to the use of biofuels. > > >> > If only > >> > though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to > >> > cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user who > >> > can whether powered or not. > > >> When your electric vehicle has four wheels on it and is limited to 4 mph > >> then perhaps it will be allowed. > > > How very kind of the authorities to be so considerate and tolerant > > towards the disabled! > > > Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range > > of an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is > > much heavier. > > If you're travelling by train why does your personal transport need "range"? > Some places are not near railway stations. Why does the obvious so often elude you? > > Indeed, why are you, who doesn't want any more electricity generating > stations built, buying new electrically powered vehicles when you also claim > to be against "hypermobility"? > As I keep on pointing out here, I don't need to be perfect to be better than you. I am merely replacing what was ordinary bicycle use with power assist because of my health problems. Please don't ask me to repeat this yet again. > > > Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, > > than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain > > of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of > > course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to > > use cars whether they like it or not. > > Many/most of the disabled are no in a position to ride any kind of bike > Doug. As usual, you think of no one except yourself. > Then how do you explain all sorts of bikes specially designed for the disabled, including electric, none of which are allowed on pavements or railway platforms by law? Sample... http://www.draisin.com/en/index.htm http://www.velovision.co.uk/cgi-bin/show_comments.pl?storynum=559 http://www.livingmadeeasy.org.uk/group.php?groupid=2752&nof=1 -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's regime.
From: Derek C on 29 Apr 2010 08:06 On Apr 29, 10:59 am, baggy1963 <stephen...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Don't the crops grown for biofuels take carbon dioxide from the > atmosphere?- Hide quoted text - > Yes, so in that respect they are carbon neutral, which was why the loony left and greenies were so in favour of biofuels a few years ago. Problem is that you would have to give up much of your available land area for growing biofuel crops to have a sizeable effect on atmospheric CO2 emissions from fossil fuels, so there wouldn't be much left for growing food. Derek C
From: ash on 29 Apr 2010 08:19 On 29 Apr, 13:06, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > On Apr 29, 10:59 am, baggy1963 <stephen...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Don't the crops grown for biofuels take carbon dioxide from the > > atmosphere?- Hide quoted text - > > Yes, so in that respect they are carbon neutral, which was why the > loony left and greenies were so in favour of biofuels a few years ago. > Problem is that you would have to give up much of your available land > area for growing biofuel crops to have a sizeable effect on > atmospheric CO2 emissions from fossil fuels, so there wouldn't be much > left for growing food. > > Derek C Perhaps this would address the real problem of over population of the planet andthe demands which proliferation puts on the planets resources. There are shortages of many other things which cause human misery - access to clean water is one of them. They have got around this in hot countries by using huge desalination plants to convert sea water to fresh. The only problem is that they are huge oil fired evaportors which burn nearly as much oil as they produce clean water, so very eco unfriendly. Can you propose banning people from living in the middle east Doug ?
From: Brimstone on 29 Apr 2010 08:44
"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:9bf1de58-4677-40ed-a453-0424f142812e(a)p2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On 29 Apr, 11:15, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:4ff4eccd-dfde-4132-b997-2179a0e299e1(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On 29 Apr, 09:13, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> >>news:e7eddec5-97e0-4f99-85ca-821c5f6421c3(a)o14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: >> >> >> >> > Even my electric bike >> >> >> > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't >> >> >> > make >> >> >> > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated >> >> >> > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. >> >> >> >> > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric >> >> >> > bicycle >> >> >> > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a >> >> >> > hundred >> >> >> > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban >> >> >> > environments." >> >> >> >> >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm >> >> >> >> > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, >> >> >> > say, >> >> >> > 10 miles in an urban environment? >> >> >> >> I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. >> >> >> >> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org-enjoythe ride >> >> >> > Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on >> >> > cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when >> >> > faced >> >> > with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can >> >> > put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. >> >> >> How is the electricity for this electric bike generated Doug? >> >> No answer Doug? >> > Previously dealt with. The energy consumption is so low as to be > insignificant but could be catered for by solar cells and a small wind > generator if allowed by a local council. I didn't ask what could happen but I take it from your response that you recharge it from the ordinary domestic supply most of which comes from those coal and nuclear power stations that you complain about. How is you buying such a machine helping to reduce the use of fossil fuels Doug? > Also, it is vastly preferable > to the use of biofuels. So fossil fuels are now preferable to biofuels are they Doug? That's certainly a change of attitude on your part. >> >> >> > If only >> >> > though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to >> >> > cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user >> >> > who >> >> > can whether powered or not. >> >> >> When your electric vehicle has four wheels on it and is limited to 4 >> >> mph >> >> then perhaps it will be allowed. >> >> > How very kind of the authorities to be so considerate and tolerant >> > towards the disabled! >> >> > Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range >> > of an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is >> > much heavier. >> >> If you're travelling by train why does your personal transport need >> "range"? >> > Some places are not near railway stations. So you've bought a machine just so that you can indulge in frivolous hypermobility at the expense of the planet's scarce resources, i.e. travelling to places just because you want to whilst complaining about other people doing the same thing. Isn't that hypocrisy Doug? > Why does the obvious so often elude you? It doesn't, but some clarification and confirmation is useful. >> Indeed, why are you, who doesn't want any more electricity generating >> stations built, buying new electrically powered vehicles when you also >> claim >> to be against "hypermobility"? >> > As I keep on pointing out here, I don't need to be perfect to be > better than you. What makes you think you're better than me? > I am merely replacing what was ordinary bicycle use > with power assist because of my health problems. Please don't ask me > to repeat this yet again. I replaced walking and using a bus with a car because of my health problems and yet you condemn me. Isn't that hypocrisy Doug? >> > Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, >> > than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain >> > of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of >> > course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to >> > use cars whether they like it or not. >> >> Many/most of the disabled are no in a position to ride any kind of bike >> Doug. As usual, you think of no one except yourself. >> > Then how do you explain all sorts of bikes specially designed for the > disabled, including electric, none of which are allowed on pavements > or railway platforms by law? > > Sample... > http://www.draisin.com/en/index.htm > http://www.velovision.co.uk/cgi-bin/show_comments.pl?storynum=559 > http://www.livingmadeeasy.org.uk/group.php?groupid=2752&nof=1 > None of which are bikes nor would they fit on a train. They all too wide to be safely used on a footpath. |